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Abandonment by the Buddhas
« on: January 18, 2017, 10:03:14 am »
Do the Buddhas ever abandon their followers? What are the deeds that if done by a follower will make the Buddhas distance themselves from one? TIA.

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Re: Abandonment by the Buddhas
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2017, 06:04:32 pm »
Do the Buddhas ever abandon their followers? What are the deeds that if done by a follower will make the Buddhas distance themselves from one? TIA.

Buddhas are not like Santa Claus. They don't care who's naughty or nice.  Buddhas manifest for the benefit of beings, unconditionally. So, they don't abandon their followers.

Don't worry about that.

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Re: Abandonment by the Buddhas
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2017, 09:02:17 pm »
Buddhas are not like the Abrahemic God, which holds humans accountable for their actions of which they do not approve.  In other words they do not punish their followers for their sins.  Kamma (intentional actions) have consequences.  Do good get good.  Do evil, or cause harm and we will receive evil, or receive harm in this, or subsequent lives.
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Re: Abandonment by the Buddhas
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2017, 03:40:41 am »
Buddhas create Buddhafields, times and places where the teachings are available. Lucky for us we are in one now.
“You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait, be quiet, still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.” Franz Kafka

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Re: Abandonment by the Buddhas
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 04:19:03 pm »
Buddhas are not like the Abrahemic God, which holds humans accountable for their actions of which they do not approve.  In other words they do not punish their followers for their sins.  Kamma (intentional actions) have consequences.  Do good get good.  Do evil, or cause harm and we will receive evil, or receive harm in this, or subsequent lives.

Very well said!  I think our tendency to attribute the fruition of our karma to some non-benevolent, sentient agency is a throwback to the judeo-christian conditioning many of us share. It's hard to truly let go of that.  I can totally understand the OPs concern and I hope he can find his way past that.

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Re: Abandonment by the Buddhas
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2017, 09:01:25 am »
I have been given the same answer by others I have asked. But it seems to me that my case is the exception. I used to invoke Shakyamuni and Manjushri Buddhas and saw lots of visions of them. In fact, I began to invoke Manjushri after I saw him with my third eye. I got my instructions from a Vajrayana practitioner and he believed that it is a sign that I should invoke the Buddha of wisdom and protection. Nowadays, I feel they have left me. I don't know why. I don't see them any more and I have this feeling in my guts that they have abandoned me. It has left me worried and sad.

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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2017, 10:56:55 am »
I have been given the same answer by others I have asked. But it seems to me that my case is the exception. I used to invoke Shakyamuni and Manjushri Buddhas and saw lots of visions of them. In fact, I began to invoke Manjushri after I saw him with my third eye. I got my instructions from a Vajrayana practitioner and he believed that it is a sign that I should invoke the Buddha of wisdom and protection. Nowadays, I feel they have left me. I don't know why. I don't see them any more and I have this feeling in my guts that they have abandoned me. It has left me worried and sad.

Wow, I'm  not so sure what to say to that.

Don't think that your sudden lack of visions is indicative of abandonment.  Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Learn to work without them.  That might be better, in fact.  Don't  let this be a distraction to practice.

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Re: Abandonment by the Buddhas
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2017, 03:56:06 am »
I have been given the same answer by others I have asked. But it seems to me that my case is the exception. I used to invoke Shakyamuni and Manjushri Buddhas and saw lots of visions of them. In fact, I began to invoke Manjushri after I saw him with my third eye. I got my instructions from a Vajrayana practitioner and he believed that it is a sign that I should invoke the Buddha of wisdom and protection. Nowadays, I feel they have left me. I don't know why. I don't see them any more and I have this feeling in my guts that they have abandoned me. It has left me worried and sad.

It's nothing to worry about. It just means that you are ready to move on to another stage, one you don't expect. Once we start expecting something from our meditation, it slows down the real work that it is doing. The Buddha of Wisdom meditation is an advanced form of visualization practice where you invoke certain qualities to consider, not an actual Buddha. The quality then becomes part of you, and you move on to the next.
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