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expect from Peace within Oneself, for Peace in the World, by late Upasaka Goenka, kindly brought to peoples awareness by Upasaka Ruben on BSe.

...If I had been aware, much earlier, that this conference was named as 'Bauddha Mahotsav', then I would have suggested that a more appropriate name would be 'Buddha Mahotsav', or 'Dhamma Mahotsav', or even 'Tiratana Mahotsav'. This is because in the entire ancient literature of the Buddha's teachings, commentaries and sub-commentaries, amongst a total of 59,150 pages containing 9,285,755 words, the word 'Bauddha' is very conspicuously absent. The Buddha never taught 'Buddhism' or 'Bauddh Dharma'. He never taught a religion, nor did he convert anyone to an organized religion. He taught Dhamma (Dharma) - the universal laws of nature - and inspired people to follow Dhamma.
 
Those who followed the teachings of the Buddha were never called 'Bauddh' (Buddhist) during the time of the Buddha, and even till about 500 years later. Throughout this huge literature, we find only the following words referring to those practicing the Buddha's teachings: Dhammi (Dharmi), Dhammiko (Dharmika), Dhammattho (Dharmastha), Dhammacari (Dharmacari), Dhammavihari (Dharmavihari), Dhammanusari (Dharmanusari).
   
We don't know when, where, by whom and why the use of the word 'Bauddh' first began, and so also the use of the words 'Buddhism' and 'Buddhist'. When we say that the teachings of the Buddha are 'Bauddh Dharama' (or Buddhism), and say his followers are Bauddh (or Buddhists), obviously it means that the teachings are meant only for people claiming to be 'Bauddha' or 'Buddhists'. Whereas the Buddha declared so emphatically that Dhamma is infinite - "appamano dhammo".
   
When the teachings are called Buddhist, or ‘Bauddh Dharma' or Buddhism, then most of the suffering people of the world will get frightened thinking that they are being converted from one particular religion to another, and be deprived of the universal teaching. But when Buddha's teachings are given under the original, true nomenclature of ‘Dhamma', and not any other terminology, then people are reassured of the basic fact that the Buddha's teachings are not just meant for any one religion. So people from any background will have no hesitation accepting his teachings.
   
Our research at Igatpuri has shown us that till about 500 years after Buddha, the word ‘Bauddh' was not found in any ancient spiritual literature of India-the literature in the Buddha tradition, Mahavir tradition, or Vedic tradition. The distinguished scholars assembled here may help us make a proper research as to when usage of this word ‘Bauddh' began.
 
It is most important to remember that the Buddha's teachings are not meant to be limited to any particular sect. His teachings are universal. And if we see the Enlightened One's teachings in proper perspective, it is clear that the original teachings of the Buddha are totally universal and non-sectarian...


Where does "Buddhism" come from and how old is it?

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It's about 150-200 years, that Wester lay people and scholars invented and defined "Buddhism" and the word appears, if remembering right, first in the Encyclopedia Britannica.

If asking about Buddhas teaching, called Buddha- Sāsana, in the origin/traditional countries, it started with the setting in motion the Wheel of Dhamma, short after Buddhas awakining, at least on request of the King od Devas.

The first follower have been some lay people on his way to search for some who are capable to understand the Dhamma, it was before the setting in motion.

On the occation of setting in motion the Dhamma, he accepted (ordained) his first disciples and this was the beginning of his religion he called him self "This Dhamma, this Vinaya", usually called Dhamma-Vinaya (Teaching/Doctrine-Conduct/Discipline).

References to Suttas Names detail: A Sketch of the Buddha's Life gives a good and most relayable short overview of what is general known and approved since this time.


If seeking for "Buddhism" being after it, seeking of Buddhist, and try to define your self in that way, you are sure to suffer a the way and sure never find admirable friends around conductive for the Dhammas path. It's good to drop this, incl the flags at fist place to become a Buddha-Dhammika, either as Upasaka, Upasika or as member of the Sangha of Buddhas Bhikkhus, or something in between.
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Re: About Bauddhas/Buddhist and why to avoid to strive being, becoming one
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2017, 05:58:51 am »
The Four Nobel Truths as taught,  the Noble Eightfold Path practiced as taught,  will lead one to a nonself referential perspective. In other words, not identifying oneself with the phenomenal characteristics of our environment. Belief systems,  physical forms, ideas, memories, experience, and etcetera when held as personal reality will lead to the birth of things like religion.
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Re: About Bauddhas/Buddhist and why to avoid to strive being, becoming one
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2017, 06:32:18 am »
To rebirth, yes. Yet nevertheless that does not mean to throw the child with the water away. Therefor one takes "simply" the Buddha (teacher, Awakening), the Dhamma (map, teaching, law of nature) and the Sangha (the carrier of this, the foremost followers) as refuge, as authority, and not what certain people produce out of it, for their becoming and gain. Making debts as good as possible only in regard of what leads and pulls to Nibbana. And the nature of a refuge, a real authority, is that it is impossible to identify with, as a matter of respect and gratitude, missuse it for low purposes, religion in its usual meaning, spiritual politic.

As for the Religion (boundage) founded by the Buddha, it's just binding for those who like to use the Buddhas reputation and merits, for a way to live, and only given for the monastic Sangha. Sangha actually derives from boundage. Lay people are free to walk, since their circumstances do not allow being bound to a well formed and straight religion.
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Re: About Bauddhas/Buddhist and why to avoid to strive being, becoming one
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2017, 01:01:13 pm »
If seeking for "Buddhism" being after it, seeking of Buddhist, and try to define your self in that way, you are sure to suffer a the way and sure never find admirable friends around conductive for the Dhammas path. It's good to drop this, incl the flags at fist place to become a Buddha-Dhammika, either as Upasaka, Upasika or as member of the Sangha of Buddhas Bhikkhus, or something in between.

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