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Re: Assisted Suicide?
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2010, 03:42:00 pm »
Shi Hong Yang, it's interesting what you say.  For months after she died I had the same dream every night.  In each dream I was always in the same place.  I was standing on this ledge of a cliff looking out over San Francisco Bay (I'd never been here in this spot) and I hadn't yet crossed the place where she'd jumped.  I couldn't for over a year after her death.

I had this same dream:

I could see the sun low in the sky right above the open blue of the bay.  The water sparkled and looked incredible.  It was a breathtaking sunset to be.  I looked up and to my right and there was the Golden Gate bridge.  As I looked above it I saw a beautiful eagle, small and young, and there it swooped a little right and left and then headed my way.  It stopped in the air, I was up high a couple hundred feet above the water and the cliffs beneath me where waves crashed, and there it hovered just above me perhaps 50 feet away hanging in the open space.  I looked in its eyes, it looked in mine and there we stood a moment frozen in recognition.  Then I could feel her release, that I had nothing to fear, she was here with me, and remembered me, somehow for a second.  I cried, she screeched and flew up and back to the bridge and I could spot the nest, there was a nest on top of the bridge.  I didn't want to just let it fly off but it wasn't my place to want anything.  I knew we'd meet again one day, we just had.  I knew she was not living a new life of horror, just a more ignorant but natural one. 

One day, I was being show San Francisco about 4 months later and my new buddy said, "Let me show you a quiet place here in the city." and took me to THE spot.  He was driving.  I stopped, like in daze, stunned, I knew this place.  The sun was getting low in the clouds and I could just feel that moment just like the dream.  I was having dejavu in realtime.  Then, NO WAY a friggin' bird, a small eagle flew in swoops, and then headed for me.  I walked closer to the edge of the cliff, and literally had this moment like in the dream.  I cried, and my friend was in total disbelief.  Needless to say I was lucky he was Indian and happened to believe in rebirth. 

That night I did not have the dream.  I never had it again.  It was done. 
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Re: Assisted Suicide?
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2010, 06:30:48 pm »
Here are some thoughts from Ajahn Amaro:

Suicide Is Not Painless
From a talk given in Diamond Heights, San Francisco, June 1993
Ajahn Amaro
December 23, 2004



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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2011, 05:43:13 am »
Just sharing. In my awareness of Buddhism , we never owned anything not even our body . "our body" infact is same and equally as "our car" , equal same as "our parent" , "our family" or even virus that attached / close to us but not related to us . It is all on the same "boat" with us going to same destination with us but it will never be "ours" .

So in Buddhism we MUST birth , as we MUST live , as we must die as all this is part of our purification process . When we still alive , we must help others to live including ourself but we must always understand as one day we must die as death is also part of the process . Do not kill ourself just to end pain as pain is also part of purification process .

In term of suffering , infact all kind of suffering should end 2500 years ago after Mr Siddharta introduce Buddha to mankind .

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Re: Assisted Suicide?
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2011, 12:39:38 am »
I was in a discussion earlier with someone about someone that was terminally ill, in constant pain, and stable mental health and wanted to end his life so he could move on. He asked me what was the Buddhist take on this and I honestly have no clue but was quite interested myself. I had trouble finding any info on this so I figured I'd ask here. I know this can be a hot topic so I was mainly looking for just the basic answer from the Buddhist POV. Thanks!
Many also suffering severe pain and ill terminally did not sort for premature death. Apparently is weak heart and heavy karmic hindrance, and most likely also karmic debtors taking revenge. Premature death does not solve its karmic consequences, in fact it added more into the present bad karma and carry forward. Premature death will not reborn as human, it is likely in the "bardo state" of re-enacting its suffering of suicide episode until the karmic of suicide ended, he may likely reborn to animals or ghost realm to atone his bad debt before reborn as human in deform etc. Instead of moving on for better future, he is moving on to a much sorry state.  :namaste:
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Re: Assisted Suicide?
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2011, 02:54:36 am »
I've run into his dilemma a lot but from a slightly different angle - my DH is a vet.  For a long time I worried about my husband's karma as he was "killing".  Some dharma friends also said that he was damaging his karma horribly.  Anyway, after giving this A LOT of thought over the years  I came to this conclusion  (he isn't a buddhist):  He is assists animals on their way with nothing but overwhelming compassion for the animal in his heart.  The animals go peacefully (he is very careful to make sure that their death is a stressfree, peaceful one).  I also asked a lama along the way and they talked at length about the importance of compassion.  It is tricky, there is no doubt and there are different opinions on the subject.  Last month I was faced with the dilemma as my beautiful dog was terminally ill.  We took the decision to put her down.  As we did it, I stayed calm, tried hard not to cry over her and whispered mantras and prayers into her ears as she died.  I feel that this was a better death than her dying in her basket alone of natural causes.  I like to believe I gave her a better send off so to speak.



 
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Re: Assisted Suicide?
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2011, 04:51:26 pm »
I was in a discussion earlier with someone about someone that was terminally ill, in constant pain, and stable mental health and wanted to end his life so he could move on. He asked me what was the Buddhist take on this and I honestly have no clue but was quite interested myself. I had trouble finding any info on this so I figured I'd ask here. I know this can be a hot topic so I was mainly looking for just the basic answer from the Buddhist POV. Thanks!
Many also suffering severe pain and ill terminally did not sort for premature death. Apparently is weak heart and heavy karmic hindrance, and most likely also karmic debtors taking revenge. Premature death does not solve its karmic consequences, in fact it added more into the present bad karma and carry forward. Premature death will not reborn as human, it is likely in the "bardo state" of re-enacting its suffering of suicide episode until the karmic of suicide ended, he may likely reborn to animals or ghost realm to atone his bad debt before reborn as human in deform etc. Instead of moving on for better future, he is moving on to a much sorry state.  :namaste:
It seems that up till now it is not clear, maybe not yet discovered, what the historical Buddha thought
or taught about euthanasia.
How then can you be SO sure about what you write? :
"Premature death will not be reborn as a human being.
....... reborn as a deformed human being, etc."
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Re: Assisted Suicide?
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2011, 05:07:54 pm »
This young monk clearly does not know what the implications are of suffering unbearable physical pains for years on end, or suffering intensely in a most dignified way for decades on end.
He obscures the fact that while suffering hellish pains one is clearing aeons of karma while being an inspiration for all involved witnessing the ordeal of the terminally ill human being. 
This monk represents the Theravadan view only on euthanasia.
He could have better said on YouTube to be this his Theravadan buddhist view on euthanasia,
instead of claiming his muddled up buddhist stance on euthanasia to be The Over All Buddhist View on euthanasia, because buddhist teachings are certainly not dogmatic.
In general, terminally ill people who opt for euthanasia are not students/practitioners of the teachings
of the Buddha.
Because they have 'the medicines' available at home, they live much longer, feel more relaxed, are able to suffer more, thus are clearing more and more karma.
To declare the artificially induced peaceful pass-over of someone who has more often than not been hanged and quartered for years/decades on end a no-no at the very end of their physically exhausted existence, to scare the almost dead human being who wishes to die without choking to death, or to die screaming with pains with rebirth in the animal, ghost or hell realm .... to saddle up GP, wife, husband, partner, friend who respect the euthanasia-wish of the utterly exhausted and almost dead with a guilt complex .... no thanks.
Buddhism is not dogmatic, it never will be.
Buddhism is the Middle Way, is Great Compassion.
And, if Buddhism is about -not avoiding suffering- then why as a buddhist take an aspirin, have a hip/knee replacement, wear glasses, take antibiotics, etc., etc.  :twocents:  :namaste:


 

 
 



 


 
 

 


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