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Re: Association - How to address wrong view?
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2017, 12:36:24 am »
How is one not involved in views? Through perceiving the emptiness of truth of views directly.
Is emptiness a view?
No because emptiness is empty of truth.

Truth has never existed as anything.

Seeing thus mind-contact ceases.
When mind-contact ceases
innate truth habits (kamma) cease.

Can you walk through walls? If you can not, does it mean they are real?


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Re: Association - How to address wrong view?
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2017, 11:53:28 am »
Does Ground like to argue about his view or does he feel more confortable if just making a mark?
There is no view to argue about but if a view arises in your mind feel free to argue about.

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Re: Association - How to address wrong view?
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2017, 12:14:13 pm »
Does Ground like to argue about his view or does he feel more confortable if just making a mark?
There is no view to argue about but if a view arises in your mind feel free to argue about.

What is your definition or interpretation of what a view is or what the term "view" refers to?

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Re: Association - How to address wrong view?
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2017, 05:48:31 pm »
Does Ground like to argue about his view or does he feel more confortable if just making a mark?

This is not how I've read any of ground's comments, as him/her being pedantic or egotistical. However, I do find them confusing, as many of your posts that I've read as well.

This is a very interesting thread but to be honest i don't feel like I've learned anything terribly useful from it so far. Right/wrong view seems to me like duality thinking, and of course having a wrong view can lead to a hellish/aversive state but wrong view can also be a source of great solace, as is clearly illustrated both from my own experiences and the fact that much of the modern world seems to constantly get high on ideas.

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Re: Association - How to address wrong view?
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2017, 09:17:02 pm »
Does Ground like to argue about his view or does he feel more confortable if just making a mark?

This is not how I've read any of ground's comments, as him/her being pedantic or egotistical. However, I do find them confusing, as many of your posts that I've read as well.

This is a very interesting thread but to be honest i don't feel like I've learned anything terribly useful from it so far. Right/wrong view seems to me like duality thinking, and of course having a wrong view can lead to a hellish/aversive state but wrong view can also be a source of great solace, as is clearly illustrated both from my own experiences and the fact that much of the modern world seems to constantly get high on ideas.

When there is a void or a lack then one fills it if they can like you did with some good words. I also find most of this website rather devoid in many cases. Buddhism is full of easy dualisms and categories and lists and their reversals. People have become so extremist about "no self" they can barely speak and worry about saying "I" as if that is really going to save them from anything. People have become extremist about everything, even stripping Buddhism of its original contents and traditional interpretations to literally "white-wash" it for Western consumption and acceptibility to the sterile standards of radical atheists. What is left is a shallow husk of an ancient Indian tradition which used to be robust, people mocking each other and troubling each other, none of whom really believe very much of anything at all it seems, which was their apparent intention anyway.

You will have better luck learning by reading academic and historic literature and translations than by interacting with modernists or even books which are designed for modernist appetites, unless that is what you like, in which case there are probably meditation centers locally you could join and lots of people willing to hand over that sort of literature or make reccomendations, all these endeavors seem to be time filler though.

People, one would hope, come to forums to share, teach, learn, help, and moreover bond and have friendly interactions but the internet is a dark reflection of the angry frustrated state of the world in the more inhibited society where people still fear getting punched to death for behaving too rudely but still try, the internet is where you get to see all those fumes released freely without much fear of major repercussions.

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Re: Association - How to address wrong view?
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2017, 11:07:16 pm »


This is a very interesting thread but to be honest i don't feel like I've learned anything terribly useful from it so far. Right/wrong view seems to me like duality thinking, and of course having a wrong view can lead to a hellish/aversive state but wrong view can also be a source of great solace, as is clearly illustrated both from my own experiences and the fact that much of the modern world seems to constantly get high on ideas.

How coul wrong view with it many aspects

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'O, that what belongs to others would be mine!' He bears ill will, corrupt in the resolves of his heart: 'May these beings be killed or cut apart or crushed or destroyed, or may they not exist at all!' He has wrong view, is warped in the way he sees things: 'There is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing sacrificed. There is no fruit or result of good or bad actions. There is no this world, no next world, no mother, no father, no spontaneously reborn beings; no brahmans or contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' - AN 10.176

be of a source of great solace? Just as far as a fool would gain solace in killing, hurting, winning over... someone. Well beings seek solace everywhere and that is why they for the most fall down. Pain is all that arises, if fruits of action, based on wrong view, accure, Nyom.
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Re: Association - How to address wrong view?
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2017, 03:10:56 am »
Good answer, it always gives me peace to hear proper moral things.

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Re: Association - How to address wrong view?
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2017, 06:46:19 pm »
Yeah, I've been doing a little bit of studying of sanskrit, and plan to do some more. However, I wouldn't trust buddhism as a complete religious authority, because I've realized that a lot of the concepts are simply borrowed from hindu spirituality, which believes that there's some sort of cosmic moral reasoning for the way things are. While there are certainly some very interesting things to learn from that, hindu society still has had a history of brutalizing “lesser people” and “lower life forms” for the sake of continuing their civilization (not to say this is unique to hindu society....).

I don't intend to visit this site any longer, but I appreciate your willingness to discuss things on a more natural basis, as opposed to the people on here who have their heads in the high-and-mighty.

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Re: Association - How to address wrong view?
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2017, 09:48:12 pm »
Yeah, I've been doing a little bit of studying of sanskrit, and plan to do some more. However, I wouldn't trust buddhism as a complete religious authority, because I've realized that a lot of the concepts are simply borrowed from hindu spirituality,....

To approach buddhism as a religion is not necessary at all. E.g. segregating its cultural and religious aspects by means of rationality there still remains a complete system of thought that may be useful for realizing certain aims.

 


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