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« on: August 02, 2016, 01:12:15 am »
Perhaps I am taking a risk by writing this but I am here as I am in condition of learning .......

For years I have only one single question to ask anyone that teach Buddhism that is their reason of teaching ......

As in my current mind Buddhism is just a natural process of realization of own existence and the cause of existence and is not a form of knowledge .

Allow me to further explain :-

If you could take out all your knowledge from your mind , what will be left in the mind ? Perhaps the only one that left in the mind after all knowledge is gone is emotion , is desire , is love , is fear / greed / ego / worry etc ... and that is what you are . You are just emotion not someone you hold on to from the knowledge that you gain .

As one awaken to Buddhism , one realize knowledge is merely an information feed by parent / society / education system / culture etc , knowledge is never stay on solid ground and changes all the time .....knowledge is just like a wind blows to your face but never stay there

But human had attached to a culture that accepted knowledge as the basis of judgement and it seems to me , human had became part of the knowledge itself .

In my current mind , Buddhism is never a knowledge so how could anyone including Mr Siddharta teaches something that is not knowledge ?

In my current mind , perhaps as one awaken to Buddhism , he realize he is same as any existence regardless human / animal / plant / micro-organism / table / dust / Coca-Cola can....... as all is travelling in own natural process of Buddhism into a state before existence , a state of nothingness ... so as he awaken to this , he realize he is constantly alone as emotion that never owned anything or anyone including the physical body ...

he realize that all happening / all incident / all re-action / all nature is all providing a great source of realization to him and as he travel further into this awakening , he no longer choose what to learn or who to learn from .

As he travel in this path , he no longer hold the mind and constantly in condition readiness of change as he realize it is suffering to hold on to the mind as the mind is naturally in a natural process of Buddhism , the mind is constantly changing so if he hold on to something that constantly changing that is suffering .

So regardless the direct words from Mr Siddharta or the action of serial killer ... regardless the words of Dalai Lama or the nature of a dead leaf in the garden is all same great source for him to realize his existence .. and he is constantly in readiness of change , constantly learning without any reason to teach as he holds nothing , nothing he could offer ......

And as he awaken to this , emotion will gradually and naturally decreases ... all desire / love / anger / hate / greed / ego / fear etc will naturally and gradually forgotten and the burden that he carry all these while will be reduced ... he will be more at ease and this condition could be closely describe as " happy".

So in my current mind , happy in regards to Buddhism is not out of desire but it is a condition of less mind , a condition of less emotion .

So can any Guru , Buddhism teacher here explain their reason to teach ?

There was a monk told me a story of a professor climbing up a hill to learn from a Buddhism teacher , as they met the professor start asking question to the Buddhism teacher ... in the same time the Buddhism teacher is pouring tea into a cup serving it to the professor ... as the professor ask , the Buddhism teacher continue to pour until it overflow from the cup and he continue to pour it .
The professor ask him to stop and ask him the reason .
The Buddhism Master explained to the professor that the professor mind already full and cannot be filled anyone so he could not answer his question as the professor mind already full and cannot take in anything .

The monk is actually trying to explain to me that my mind already full and he cannot teach me anything...

I told the monk , in my mind , The Buddhism teacher mind is not only full but overflow .... Buddhism is about learning not teaching but instead the Buddhism teacher not only with a full mind but has even overflow ......to me , the Buddhism teacher indeed in a great suffering holding on to the mind .

And soon after that I was banned from that website .

I hope to debate with any Buddhism Master for my own learning lesson

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Re: Buddhism?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2016, 03:41:05 am »
Are there any local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2016, 04:56:12 am »
I can only recommend reading and  to listen to varied  material from various Ajahns, and yes reading the Suttas repeatedly, It's amazing the different perspectives and opinions that exist and how our own opinions do change on many subjects. I have settled (at the moment) on the teachings of Ajahn Sumedho and the many students of Ajahn Chah who teach out there in the world. You will hopefully discover, that which rests well in your heart.
" Better than a thousand useless words is one useful word, hearing which one attains peace."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/dhp/dhp.08.budd.html

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2016, 06:46:12 am »
I can only recommend reading and  to listen to varied  material from various Ajahns, and yes reading the Suttas repeatedly, It's amazing the different perspectives and opinions that exist and how our own opinions do change on many subjects. I have settled (at the moment) on the teachings of Ajahn Sumedho and the many students of Ajahn Chah who teach out there in the world. You will hopefully discover, that which rests well in your heart.

Yes, I've found some of the Thai Forest teachings quite helpful.   Practical stuff. 

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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2016, 02:32:10 pm »
Are there any local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

Is that the only way in discovering Buddhism?

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2016, 02:34:37 pm »
I can only recommend reading and  to listen to varied  material from various Ajahns, and yes reading the Suttas repeatedly, It's amazing the different perspectives and opinions that exist and how our own opinions do change on many subjects. I have settled (at the moment) on the teachings of Ajahn Sumedho and the many students of Ajahn Chah who teach out there in the world. You will hopefully discover, that which rests well in your heart.

Thanks .....can Osama's action lead us to discover our emotion same as these Buddhism teacher you are referring ?

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2016, 02:37:29 pm »
I can only recommend reading and  to listen to varied  material from various Ajahns, and yes reading the Suttas repeatedly, It's amazing the different perspectives and opinions that exist and how our own opinions do change on many subjects. I have settled (at the moment) on the teachings of Ajahn Sumedho and the many students of Ajahn Chah who teach out there in the world. You will hopefully discover, that which rests well in your heart.

Yes, I've found some of the Thai Forest teachings quite helpful.   Practical stuff.

Sorry in advance , perhaps the desire to choose , the emotion of choosing what to be , the emotion of deciding what we should be is causing human to be in a circle of confusion .......perhaps as one awaken to Buddhism , he no longer choose what to learn or who to learn from as all is a great source for his realization .......

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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2016, 10:45:12 pm »
Are there any local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

Is that the only way in discovering Buddhism?

You haven't said if there are local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

The best way of discovering is to do some Buddhist practice - are you doing any?

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2016, 05:50:07 am »
Are there any local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

Is that the only way in discovering Buddhism?

You haven't said if there are local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

Yes there are .... but I do not think I am welcome.

The best way of discovering is to do some Buddhist practice - are you doing any?
None......perhaps you could explain further on your reasons

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2016, 06:17:48 am »
Are there any local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

Is that the only way in discovering Buddhism?

You haven't said if there are local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

Yes there are .... but I do not think I am welcome.

The best way of discovering is to do some Buddhist practice - are you doing any?
None......perhaps you could explain further on your reasons

Basically what you need to do is learn some Buddhist practices and then apply yourself to doing them. Either find a local Buddhist group and learn face-to-face, or look for teachings on line, there are lots of Dhamma talks on Youtube for example.

 Maybe come back in a couple of months and let us know how you are getting on?


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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2016, 08:28:14 am »
Are there any local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

Is that the only way in discovering Buddhism?

You haven't said if there are local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

Yes there are .... but I do not think I am welcome.

The best way of discovering is to do some Buddhist practice - are you doing any?
None......perhaps you could explain further on your reasons

You can do it any way you like, but the morality within Buddhism should not be overlooked, the Buddha taught a path for all , not just the individual, why? well i figure he liked his peace.
" Better than a thousand useless words is one useful word, hearing which one attains peace."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/dhp/dhp.08.budd.html

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2016, 02:32:26 pm »


Hi Spiny Norman , Thanks that is common suggestion to me by so many people .......but Dear sir , why do you think that is the only way to realized Buddhism ?


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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2016, 11:35:57 pm »


Hi Spiny Norman , Thanks that is common suggestion to me by so many people .......


Maybe you should take it then, instead of continually asking silly questions on different Buddhist forums.
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2016, 09:58:04 am »


Hi Spiny Norman , Thanks that is common suggestion to me by so many people .......


Maybe you should take it then, instead of continually asking silly questions on different Buddhist forums.

As human is never my wish to be silly or even to appear being silly ....but what confused me is that most if not all of so call Buddhism Teacher seems cannot debate with me without holding a text as referral....they seems becoming the book that they hold ... sorry in advance , they seems becoming the robot with input data .....
Sorry in advance , where is Spiny Norman ? ...are you here ?
Again sorry in advance , if I want to discover Buddhism from text , there are thousand of sources online , in monastery etc ....but do you think Buddhism is that easy , just reading book and comparing knowledge with each other ?
Or perhaps by sharing thought , by exploring mind , by showing anger / love / desire / fear / hate etc , by debate of what the mind ...it can be a great source for others to realize own emotion.

Sorry if I being rude .....As human , I hope you could respect me as what I am not to be the one you wish me to be .....

Lets debate shall we .......
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2016, 03:23:51 pm »
Are there any local Buddhist groups or teachers you could visit?

Is that the only way in discovering Buddhism?

I do not want to push my beliefs onto anyway else but I want to say...


You do not need any teacher, and you do not need any book

All you need is your meditation.  You do not need to understand anything intellectually.  The meditation will take you the whole way.
The entire path can be summed up as:

Be good + meditate

:)

I strongly recommend taking a meditation retreat of some type.  It is the real work.

 


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