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Re: Going it alone?
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2016, 05:40:53 pm »
Human are now living in a culture where knowledge is accepted as the basis of judgement ... each moment human lived in knowledge and even became part of the knowledge itself ....just imagine , if you could take out what you know from your mind , what is left in the mind ???? The one left in the mind is you ... is emotion , is desire/love/hate/anger/greed/fear/worry etc .......and Buddhism is simply realizing you are emotion .
Perhaps as one awaken to Buddhism , he realize he is alone in the journey of his choice of his will in his world ...nothing exist out there except emotion , as one awaken to emotion , one realize nothing is owned or connected to him ...there is no relationship / no ownership ...nothing is belong to him nor any human / material even the physical body is never belong to him ..........you are alone 
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Re: Going it alone?
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2017, 05:44:55 am »
Suggestion:  Find a monastic community online and invite Bhikkhus and Bhikkhunis to come visit with you and share your presence in the local community by showing them around your village, town or city.  Take them shopping and or perhaps invite them to consider starting a community (sangha) in your region.


Sadhu! (Even such as sight seen an shopping is neither needed nor proper, but to give others the change to meet Monks is a great gift, the deed of a admirable person.)

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- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -

[Kapadika Bharadvaja:] "To what extent is there an awakening to the truth? To what extent does one awaken to the truth? We ask Master Gotama about awakening to the truth."

[The Buddha:] "There is the case, Bharadvaja, where a monk lives in dependence on a certain village or town. Then a householder or householder's son goes to him and observes him with regard to three mental qualities — qualities based on greed, qualities based on aversion, qualities based on delusion: 'Are there in this venerable one any such qualities based on greed that, with his mind overcome by these qualities, he might say, "I know," while not knowing, or say, "I see," while not seeing; or that he might urge another to act in a way that was for his/her long-term harm & pain?' As he observes him, he comes to know, 'There are in this venerable one no such qualities based on greed... His bodily behavior & verbal behavior are those of one not greedy. And the Dhamma he teaches is deep, hard to see, hard to realize, tranquil, refined, beyond the scope of conjecture, subtle, to-be-experienced by the wise. This Dhamma can't easily be taught by a person who's greedy.

"When, on observing that the monk is purified with regard to qualities based on greed, he next observes him with regard to qualities based on aversion... based on delusion: 'Are there in this venerable one any such qualities based on delusion that, with his mind overcome by these qualities, he might say, "I know," while not knowing, or say, "I see," while not seeing; or that he might urge another to act in a way that was for his/her long-term harm & pain?' As he observes him, he comes to know, 'There are in this venerable one no such qualities based on delusion... His bodily behavior & verbal behavior are those of one not deluded. And the Dhamma he teaches is deep, hard to see, hard to realize, tranquil, refined, beyond the scope of conjecture, subtle, to-be-experienced by the wise. This Dhamma can't easily be taught by a person who's deluded.

"When, on observing that the monk is purified with regard to qualities based on delusion, he places conviction in him. With the arising of conviction, he visits him & grows close to him. Growing close to him, he lends ear. Lending ear, he hears the Dhamma. Hearing the Dhamma, he remembers it. Remembering it, he penetrates the meaning of those dhammas. Penetrating the meaning, he comes to an agreement through pondering those dhammas. There being an agreement through pondering those dhammas, desire arises. With the arising of desire, he becomes willing. Willing, he contemplates [lit: "weighs," "compares"]. Contemplating, he makes an exertion. Exerting himself, he both realizes the ultimate meaning of the truth with his body and sees by penetrating it with discernment.

"To this extent, Bharadvaja, there is an awakening to the truth. To this extent one awakens to the truth. I describe this as an awakening to the truth. But it is not yet the final attainment of the truth."

[Kapadika Bharadvaja:] "Yes, Master Gotama, to this extent there is an awakening to the truth. To this extent one awakens to the truth. We regard this as an awakening to the truth. But to what extent is there the final attainment of the truth? To what extent does one finally attain the truth? We ask Master Gotama about the final attainment of the truth."

[Buddha:] "The cultivation, development, & pursuit of those very same qualities: to this extent, Bharadvaja, there is the final attainment of the truth. To this extent one finally attains the truth. I describe this as the final attainment of the truth."

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Re: Going it alone?
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2017, 07:38:04 am »
"Going it alone" is the only option for me at the moment, though it might be fun to have an extended email exchange with an experience Buddhist. (Just a statement, not looking for volunteers.) I'm not really interested in "becoming a Buddhist" or taking on any other label for that matter. Wisdom is the goal, and a bit of understanding; something I have seen in many different people "following" many different religious and ideological traditions. The quality of a person, though somewhat dependent on the quality of their ideology, is of more interest than the ideology itself, though some ideology is utterly repugnant and will corrode a person beyond hope. (White Supremacy being at the top of my "worst" list at the moment, closely followed by Republican late capitalism and American Christian fundamentalism.)

Another reason for going it alone is simply logistics. I live on a small sailboat, don't own a car, and don't spend more than a few months at a time in any one place, and normally not even that long. My "community" is the tribe of cruisers, gypsies really, wonderers. It has been my experience that bits of Buddhist thought (sorry, that's a poor way to put it) are pretty common among those who share my lifestyle.

Which is why I do appreciate forums like this one, where a idea can lead to a question or a thought, that can lead to some more study and a different insight. Though I am not always sure that the internet will turn out to be a net plus in humanity's evolution, it does allow ideas to flow around the world at near the speed of light (a bit of a play on words).

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Re: Going it alone?
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2017, 10:35:12 am »
Hi tj! What interests you about Buddhism or the stuff that might pop up on a forum like this. Anything in particular? You can email me at theartismagistra@gmail.com if you want to.

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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2017, 09:31:24 am »
Please see the following video for an explanation of why a teacher is required in buddhism. Lama Jampa is an extraordinary teacher, and counts the 41st Sakya Trizin, the 16th Karmapa and Dilgo Kyentse Rinpoche amonst his main teachers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDcUj8nhCqo

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2017, 09:15:52 pm »
Please see the following video for an explanation of why a teacher is required in buddhism. Lama Jampa is an extraordinary teacher, and counts the 41st Sakya Trizin, the 16th Karmapa and Dilgo Kyentse Rinpoche amonst his main teachers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDcUj8nhCqo
:lmfao:
I would be surprised if a so called 'teacher' wouldn't teach that a so called 'teacher' is required.

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Re: Going it alone?
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2017, 10:09:53 pm »
Actually the most have found out that the opposite bring the most dependers, so they insult the others or simply praise "do it your way, with your dhamma as your island".

It's simply the modern approach, facing imense dept, to deny the reallity of dept and it's natural requirement, especially if liking to bend ways, to the opposite direction. Obiviously those no-teacher-teacher lack either on selfreflexion in regard of what they actually currently doing or are aware of their ways out of certain gain from it,even if livelihood for the mind.
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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2017, 03:03:52 pm »
Please see the following video for an explanation of why a teacher is required in buddhism. Lama Jampa is an extraordinary teacher, and counts the 41st Sakya Trizin, the 16th Karmapa and Dilgo Kyentse Rinpoche amonst his main teachers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDcUj8nhCqo
:lmfao:
I would be surprised if a so called 'teacher' wouldn't teach that a so called 'teacher' is required.

In this case the so-called teacher has better credentials than you do.  Much better.

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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2017, 10:41:56 pm »
Please see the following video for an explanation of why a teacher is required in buddhism. Lama Jampa is an extraordinary teacher, and counts the 41st Sakya Trizin, the 16th Karmapa and Dilgo Kyentse Rinpoche amonst his main teachers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDcUj8nhCqo
:lmfao:
I would be surprised if a so called 'teacher' wouldn't teach that a so called 'teacher' is required.

In this case the so-called teacher has better credentials than you do.  Much better.

Of course, the credentials received from other so called 'teachers' which are members of the same 'club'. This is the basis of the narrative of so called 'lineage'. I know all about it.
I am beyond grasping at power in the world. So what might be the use of credentials for one unbound like me?

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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2017, 03:50:58 am »
Please see the following video for an explanation of why a teacher is required in buddhism. Lama Jampa is an extraordinary teacher, and counts the 41st Sakya Trizin, the 16th Karmapa and Dilgo Kyentse Rinpoche amonst his main teachers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDcUj8nhCqo
:lmfao:
I would be surprised if a so called 'teacher' wouldn't teach that a so called 'teacher' is required.

In this case the so-called teacher has better credentials than you do.  Much better.

Of course, the credentials received from other so called 'teachers' which are members of the same 'club'. This is the basis of the narrative of so called 'lineage'. I know all about it.
I am beyond grasping at power in the world. So what might be the use of credentials for one unbound like me?

Unbound?  I doubt it.  With credentials come credibilty.  If you want others to believe you, and this is obviously the case, you have to be credible.  These clains of liberation you make are not credible.
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Re: Going it alone?
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2017, 03:57:05 am »
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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2017, 05:04:11 am »
Claims
There is nothing to claim. empty of meaning, empty of truth.

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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2017, 05:11:49 am »
It's no claim that the possible spelling misstake in Idealtalk post need to be corrected, just though maybe happy to face own conduct.
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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2017, 08:42:48 am »
Claims
There is nothing to claim. empty of meaning, empty of truth.

Ah yes, the old Emptiness ploy - the one used when someone doesn't really know what they're talking about and need to cover their butt.

This is an excellent example why a teacher is needed to fully explain  the Two Truths and their meaning.  It's something people who use the Emptiness Ploy know nothing about.

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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2017, 01:15:29 pm »
Claims
There is nothing to claim. empty of meaning, empty of truth.

Ah yes, the old Emptiness ploy - the one used when someone doesn't really know what they're talking about and need to cover their butt.

This is an excellent example why a teacher is needed to fully explain  the Two Truths and their meaning.  It's something people who use the Emptiness Ploy know nothing about.

 :lmfao:

It's is perfectly ok, if you need someone to tell you what you have to claim. In that way you're not alone claiming whatever you like. That may support your belief  :teehee:

For one who directly perceives emptiness emptiness does not negate functionality but emptiness negates true existence, true meaning and truth.
E.g. if I cross the street not watching the cars I may get run over although the cars are empty of truth since they are empty of true existence. Why is this? It is because cars can be directly perceived you can be run over.

Now please check whether what so called 'teachers' tell you can be directly perceived  or whether they just try to instill beliefs into your mind :fu:

Valid knowledge is based on direct perception exclusively. Belief is not valid knowledge.
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