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Offline bahman

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Re: Is self real?
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2017, 12:51:27 pm »
You need a self if you really believe that you cause a decision. Otherwise decision is an illusion.

Hi bahman,

Decision is an illusion.

We think we make decisions, but in reality our decisions are already made for us in our brain before we realise we have made the decision. 

 Why we are conscious anything at all? What happen for cycle of Karma (we are not responsible for our acts anymore)?


Simply because of karma.  It begihs with ignorance, which leads to mental dispositions, which generates karmic imprinting and and that leads to consciousness.

 I don't understand what you are saying. I thought that consciousness is fundamental in Buddhism. Could you please elaborate?

I know.  It's not exactly "beginner stuff". 

Look at the 12 links of dependant origination.

It begins with ignorance of the 4 Noble Truths.  That ignorance leads to action, which results in karma.  This leads to consciuousness.

Because consciousness is not self-arisen, it can't be viewed as "real".  It is merely the product of previous causes and conditions.

Read about dependant origination.

 I use to think that it starts with curiosity, the fabric of universe is intelligible. Curiosity leads to act. Ignorance is a force again curiosity causes suffering.

Think whatever you like, I guess, but that's not a Buddhist teaching.

 I think what I said is mostly based on reason than liking.

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Re: Is self real?
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2017, 02:11:26 pm »
Mind is separate from the aggregates. The mind is tied to the designated body of this incarnation. Pure mind is our Buddha nature. This is what needs awakening to free our mind from Samsara and our body is then the truth body. The illusions are attributes we apply to self and phenomena. The attributes make things appear more than they are. We become attached to these fake illusions. They appear special as if they are what wet and others have attributed, labeled, and designated. But all is empty of this individual, independent existence. Our self the mind has created doesn't exist, it's also empty of the person named Joe or Jane. When the mind awakens, all drops away as not existing, leaving pure luminous mind. But I'm still digesting this. Peace.

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Re: Is self real?
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2017, 04:28:30 am »
You need a self if you really believe that you cause a decision. Otherwise decision is an illusion.

Hi bahman,

Decision is an illusion.

We think we make decisions, but in reality our decisions are already made for us in our brain before we realise we have made the decision. 

 Why we are conscious anything at all? What happen for cycle of Karma (we are not responsible for our acts anymore)?


Simply because of karma.  It begihs with ignorance, which leads to mental dispositions, which generates karmic imprinting and and that leads to consciousness.

 I don't understand what you are saying. I thought that consciousness is fundamental in Buddhism. Could you please elaborate?

I know.  It's not exactly "beginner stuff". 

Look at the 12 links of dependant origination.

It begins with ignorance of the 4 Noble Truths.  That ignorance leads to action, which results in karma.  This leads to consciuousness.

Because consciousness is not self-arisen, it can't be viewed as "real".  It is merely the product of previous causes and conditions.

Read about dependant origination.

 I use to think that it starts with curiosity, the fabric of universe is intelligible. Curiosity leads to act. Ignorance is a force again curiosity causes suffering.

Think whatever you like, I guess, but that's not a Buddhist teaching.

 I think what I said is mostly based on reason than liking.

Hi bahman,

IdleChater has pretty much nailed it with his comments on dependant origination.

The Buddha’s teachings are based on his insight into human nature.  As such, they don’t necessarily agree with what others, without insight, consider reasonable, and many are not intuitive. That’s what’s makes the Buddha’s teachings unique amongst other belief systems that rely on blind belief in God or gods for salvation.

In a nutshell, the Buddha gave us the tools we need to realise truth for ourselves. They are based on understanding the Four Noble Truths and following the Noble Eightfold Path that leads to liberation.


"Enlightenment, for a wave in the ocean, is the moment the wave realises it is water." - Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: Is self real?
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2017, 06:52:27 am »
Mind is separate from the aggregates. The mind is tied to the designated body of this incarnation. Pure mind is our Buddha nature. This is what needs awakening to free our mind from Samsara and our body is then the truth body. The illusions are attributes we apply to self and phenomena. The attributes make things appear more than they are. We become attached to these fake illusions. They appear special as if they are what wet and others have attributed, labeled, and designated. But all is empty of this individual, independent existence. Our self the mind has created doesn't exist, it's also empty of the person named Joe or Jane. When the mind awakens, all drops away as not existing, leaving pure luminous mind. But I'm still digesting this. Peace.

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 What is mind? Does it survive death?

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Re: Is self real?
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2017, 07:01:08 am »
Hi bahman,

IdleChater has pretty much nailed it with his comments on dependant origination.

The Buddha’s teachings are based on his insight into human nature.  As such, they don’t necessarily agree with what others, without insight, consider reasonable, and many are not intuitive. That’s what’s makes the Buddha’s teachings unique amongst other belief systems that rely on blind belief in God or gods for salvation.

 What he said didn't make any sense to me. He couldn't offer further insight when I asked for more explanation.

In a nutshell, the Buddha gave us the tools we need to realise truth for ourselves. They are based on understanding the Four Noble Truths and following the Noble Eightfold Path that leads to liberation.

 What is the truth in nutshell?

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Re: Is self real?
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2017, 07:37:26 am »
Hi bahman,

IdleChater has pretty much nailed it with his comments on dependent origination.

The Buddha’s teachings are based on his insight into human nature.  As such, they don’t necessarily agree with what others, without insight, consider reasonable, and many are not intuitive. That’s what’s makes the Buddha’s teachings unique amongst other belief systems that rely on blind belief in God or gods for salvation.


 What he said didn't make any sense to me. He couldn't offer further insight when I asked for more explanation.

In a nutshell, the Buddha gave us the tools we need to realise truth for ourselves. They are based on understanding the Four Noble Truths and following the Noble Eightfold Path that leads to liberation.


 What is the truth in nutshell?


Hi bahman,

Truth in a nutshell is emptiness, as illustrated in the The Heart Sutra.

Also check out the links to the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path

With metta




"Enlightenment, for a wave in the ocean, is the moment the wave realises it is water." - Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: Is self real?
« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2017, 10:56:56 am »
Hi bahman,

Truth in a nutshell is emptiness, as illustrated in the The Heart Sutra.

Also check out the links to the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path

With metta


 Thanks. I did a search on emptiness and I understand it now. Emptiness in nutshell means that things do not have any self or sense of permanence. I have a thread on this topic in here.


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Re: Is self real?
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2017, 01:16:04 am »
I think the whole point of Buddhism is that someone found the answers...

 How could Buddha reach to state of Nirvana if He doesn't know the basic truth? : Self is real.
That would be too bold a statement to cliam that 'Self is real' is a basic truth. You have lots of misconception because of not understanding the concept of non-self. Non-self doesn't mean you and I don't exist.

By the way, you have tendency of raising lots of different questions in a single discussion. This is counter-productive. In this discussion alone, you raised questions like 'what is mind, does it survive death', 'what is truth', 'what is self...'...


 


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