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Offline Amberlove

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Karma, intentions, and liberation
« on: January 08, 2016, 02:59:50 pm »
( the quote i pasted here is a little long but hang with me, question to follow)
- I was reading a transcript of someone's speech about karma and buddhism and why it's so important to understand it. The topic of karma lead to making choices which lead to intentions and setting good intentions.

" Finally, when you create the conditions in the mind and the heart, so that you have a sense of ease and well being and peace, it becomes easier to do the greatest letting go that the Buddha was pointing to, which is the experience of liberation or freedom. This is to have an experience of the mind and the heart that has been liberated from all intentions. Isn’t that great? The point is not to keep endlessly having intentions. The point is to put the conditions together so that you can have the experience of letting go of all intentions. Then you might say, “Wait a minute. I wasn’t concerned at all about my intentions until I came here and heard this talk!” But actually, unless you have some degree of liberation, intentionality is part of every moment of human consciousness. Somehow, every moment of human consciousness is filtered or informed or influences by intentionality. Most of the time, we do not have a clue that it is operating. It just operates unconsciously or subconsciously. We want stuff; we don’t want stuff; this and that; trying to figure things out. Even when the mind thinks about things, it generally has some intentions. There is some direction towards which we are trying to go. You might feel quite peaceful and at ease because the flow of intentionality is unobstructed, but still intentionality is there. The tremendous treasure of Buddhist practice is to point to that possibility of a mind and a heart which is resting or settled on itself in such a way that it is not driven by intentionality at all. The intentionality disappears completely. The mind is not trying to get anything or do anything. And since the idea of self has so much to do with intentionality, the self disappears. The mind and heart have a sense of being present in the world which is transparent and luminous and at peace. It is not about me anymore. It is not about what it can get for me or what it can do for me. It just is."

My question is can you live in this modern world and do things without intention? Im starting  to question if losing sense  of self amongst all these worldy issues is even possible. Bills need to be paid so that "i" can have a place to live. "I" want to help people. There's intention there? If liberation means abandoning  sense of self and all intention,  then once someone is liberated why do anything? I must be going at this completely wrong.

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Re: Karma, intentions, and liberation
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2016, 10:47:26 pm »
A koan: How can I know what I would do when I is gone?

Great Doubt, Great Awakening; small doubt, small awakening; no doubt, no awakening. ~ The Old Worthies

Poetic justice—deserving to be the karmic character you habitually practice being—until YOU stop it.


Offline Spiny Norman

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Re: Karma, intentions, and liberation
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2016, 02:06:02 am »
If liberation means abandoning  sense of self and all intention,  then once someone is liberated why do anything?


I think that is more about the goal than the path, though it's also the case that continually wanting and not wanting is a habit to be challenged.

In any case skillfull intention is important on the path: http://buddhism.about.com/od/theeightfoldpath/a/right-intention.htm
« Last Edit: January 09, 2016, 02:26:18 am by Spiny Norman »

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Re: Karma, intentions, and liberation
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2016, 11:16:03 am »
Intention is what I find too involved.  Who?  What?  Where?  When?  Why?   On and on.  So I stop and I breathe.  ". With the relinquishing of all thought and egotism, the enlightened one is liberated through not clinging."  Majjhima Nikaya
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