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Re: New ager appropriating buddhist sayings
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2018, 01:36:32 am »
I was wondering about your views on those who borrow from buddhism without understanding what these snippets mean...new agers and others who do this...???

I do sympathise, I sometimes get irritated with nebulous new-agers, and also with pretentious perennialists.   I have also found it is pointless arguing with them.  :wink1:

What makes a perrenialist pretentious, or are you just being witty?

They can give an impression of superiority, like they have seen connections that the rest of us haven't ( it usually turns out to be woolly wishful thinking, of course ). 
I do also like alliteration.  :teehee:
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Re: New ager appropriating buddhist sayings
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2018, 11:51:57 am »

They can give an impression of superiority, like they have seen connections that the rest of us haven't 

I dunno ........ With Perrenialists it's hard to be humble.  They do get certain things that other's don't, when you can see that " ... each of the world's religious traditions as sharing a single, metaphysical truth or origin from which all esoteric and exoteric knowledge and doctrine has grown.". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy)
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( it usually turns out to be woolly wishful thinking, of course ).

Not as wooly as some.



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I do also like alliteration.  :teehee:

and your so good at it!

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Re: New ager appropriating buddhist sayings
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2018, 01:28:47 am »
" ... each of the world's religious traditions as sharing a single, metaphysical truth or origin from which all esoteric and exoteric knowledge and doctrine has grown.".

My experience of perrenialists is that they attach to this belief and then try to "prove" they're right - often by misrepresenting the teachings of individual   religions, or drawing false equivalences.

To me it's not that different from a hippy saying "It's all one, man." :wacky:
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Re: New ager appropriating buddhist sayings
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2018, 02:55:27 am »
There may be a grain of truth in those Perennialist writings in that there are certain similarities in experience when people meditate, within whatever religion. My growing view is that insight experiences are the only context free experiences we have, but only at the time we are having them. Afterwards, context kicks in and we interpret such experiences depending on our particular circumstances.

For me it is the context which we use to explain our experiences, the developed shared understandings, that Huxley is describing when he writes about universalistic elements to religions, not the 'truth' that we experience at the time. His Perennial Philosophy, and that of those who came after, became a chase after universal truths in the various interpretations imposed on the experience rather than in what actually arises during the experience.
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Re: New ager appropriating buddhist sayings
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2018, 01:44:40 am »
His Perennial Philosophy, and that of those who came after, became a chase after universal truths in the various interpretations imposed on the experience rather than in what actually arises during the experience.

Sure, and the different religions explain "spiritual" experiences in different ways - there are different assumptions.   

Perennialists assume that these different assumptions are only parts of some bigger picture, ignoring the fact that the assumptions are often contradictory.
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