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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2017, 01:12:46 pm »
Taking Refuge

"I Take refuge in The Buddha,The Dhamma , and The Sangha "  (corrected - Thanks for your assistance.)

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A refuge supreme

They go to many a refuge,
to mountains and forests,
to park and tree shrines:
people threatened with danger.

That's not the secure refuge,
not the supreme refuge,
that's not the refuge,
having gone to which,
you gain release from all suffering & stress.

But when, having gone
to the Buddha, Dhamma,
& Sangha for refuge,
you see with right discernment
the four noble truths  —
stress,
the cause of stress,
the transcending of stress,
& the noble eight-fold path,
the way to the stilling of stress:
that's the secure refuge,
that, the supreme refuge,
that is the refuge,
having gone to which,
you gain release from all suffering & stress.

— Dhp 188-192
« Last Edit: July 26, 2017, 02:30:45 am by Ron-the-Elder, Reason: Order Correction »
What Makes an Elder? :
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-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Practices of Various Practitioners
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2017, 02:25:37 pm »
Taking Refuge

"I Take refuge in The Buddha, The Sangha, and The Dhamma"



I was taught that it was: "I take refuge in the Buddha , I take refuge in the Dhamma, I take refuge in the Sangha" - in that order.

This is Bhikkhu Bodhi's version:

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Buddham saranam gacchami
I go for refuge to the Buddha;

Dhammam saranam gacchami
I go for refuge to the Dhamma;

Sangham saranam gacchami
I go for refuge to the Sangha.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/bodhi/wheel282.html




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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2017, 03:56:27 pm »
Taking Refuge

"I Take refuge in The Buddha, The Sangha, and The Dhamma"



I was taught that it was: "I take refuge in the Buddha , I take refuge in the Dhamma, I take refuge in the Sangha" - in that order.

This is Bhikkhu Bodhi's version:

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Buddham saranam gacchami
I go for refuge to the Buddha;

Dhammam saranam gacchami
I go for refuge to the Dhamma;

Sangham saranam gacchami
I go for refuge to the Sangha.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/bodhi/wheel282.html




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Same here - Buddha, Dharma, Sangha.  However, since taking up tantric practice I take a "six-fold refuge" which, along with the the trditional refuge in the Buddha Dharma and Sangha, refuge is also taken in Guru, Yidams, and Protectors

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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2017, 03:24:55 am »
Thanks to Pixie and Idle for your input regarding the order of refuge.

It is interesting to me that in my mind I suppose the order of importance to my practice of refuge has truly become :  Sangha, Dhamma, and Buddha as it applies to daily life.  By this I mean that the way I practice brings me first to The Sangha, which is the resource for Buddhist studies.  The Sangha for me became  the door leading to the other two.  Just as Buddha taught, this for me has become a life-long process of study, understanding, and practice.

The Buddha wrote: 

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Monks, I do not say that the attainment of gnosis is all at once. Rather, the attainment of gnosis is after gradual training, gradual action, gradual practice. And how is there the attainment of gnosis after gradual training, gradual action, gradual practice?

There is the case where, when conviction has arisen, one visits [a teacher]. Having visited, one grows close. Having grown close, one lends ear. Having lent ear, one hears the Dhamma. Having heard the Dhamma, one remembers it. Remembering, one penetrates the meaning of the teachings. Penetrating the meaning, one comes to an agreement through pondering the teachings. There being an agreement through pondering the teachings, desire arises. When desire has arisen, one is willing. When one is willing, one contemplates. Having contemplated, one makes an exertion. Having made an exertion, one realizes with the body the ultimate truth and, having penetrated it with discernment, sees it.

— MN 70



In a sense The Sangha became the doorway to my teacher, since Buddha was dead for thousands of years before I began my personal practice.

Truly it was the Holy Sangha (The original followers of The Buddha), which memorized and later (hundreds of years) documented the Buddha's teachings and taught them to new students and followers like you and I.  It is here on this online sangha that we discuss what we have heard, what we have studied, what we have learned, and it is here in sharing what we have experienced in this pursuit that we have the opportunity to correct, and cement our understanding of The Dhamma.

Ironically and very interestingly, it is through the dhamma that we come to appreciate the significance of this Teacher of Gods, and  Teacher of Mankind:  The Buddha :r4wheel:

In this line of thinking one of Buddha's quotes which stays with me is:
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  "He who knows the dhamma knows me."


Stated in a commentary: 
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The Buddha is the Dhamma; the Dhamma is the Buddha. He didn't take away the knowledge he awakened to. He left it right here. To put it in simple terms, it's like the teachers in schools. They haven't been teachers from birth. They had to study the course of study for teachers before they could be teachers, teaching in school and getting paid. After a while, they'll die away — away from being teachers. But you can say that in a way the teachers don't die. The qualities that make people into teachers remain right here. It's the same with the Buddha. The noble truths that made him the Buddha still remain right here. They haven't run off anywhere at all.


source:  http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/thai/chah/insimpleterms.html
« Last Edit: July 26, 2017, 03:32:41 am by Ron-the-Elder »
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2017, 05:12:20 am »
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"Monks, be islands unto yourselves, be your own refuge, having no other; let the Dhamma be an island and a refuge to you, having no other.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.043.wlsh.html


Buddha and sangha are dispensable.

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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2017, 09:17:20 am »
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"Monks, be islands unto yourselves, be your own refuge, having no other; let the Dhamma be an island and a refuge to you, having no other.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.043.wlsh.html


Buddha and sangha are dispensable.


Whose Dhamma according to who?

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2017, 10:32:07 am »
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"Monks, be islands unto yourselves, be your own refuge, having no other; let the Dhamma be an island and a refuge to you, having no other.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.043.wlsh.html


Buddha and sangha are dispensable.


Also it doesn't  make sense when a living persons tries to takes refuge to a dead person. What results from such an irrational attempt is that the dead person will be worshipped like a god and such an attitude is contradictory with buddhist view.

What one may take refuge to is one's own perception and mind when studying authentic buddhist texts. This then is also an aspect of being one's own refuge as the buddha suggested according to the sutta quoted from.

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2017, 10:35:46 am »
Buddha or the True Buddha does not represent to me a man. The word Buddha can and does often refer to the person of Siddhartha Gautama but can also refer to something beyond such or their bodily realities.

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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2017, 01:18:33 pm »
Quote from: ground
Also it doesn't  make sense when a living persons tries to takes refuge to a dead person. What results from such an irrational attempt is that the dead person will be worshipped like a god and such an attitude is contradictory with buddhist view.

What one may take refuge to is one's own perception and mind when studying authentic buddhist texts. This then is also an aspect of being one's own refuge as the buddha suggested according to the sutta quoted from.


Ven.Ajahn Sumedho wrote a short article "Buddha.Dhamma, Sangha" which is worth reading - and he concludes:

"It is not a matter of believing in Buddha Dhamma Sangha, not a faith in concepts but a using of symbols for mindfulness, for awakening the mind here-and-now, being here-and-now."

http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma2/bds.html



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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2017, 02:11:42 pm »
Funny Story: Once someone was talking to someone else who was not "here & now" and they didn't seem to hear them.

Funny Question: Who is not "here & now"?

Funny Answer: No one.

Funny Interjection: How about two?

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2017, 02:20:25 pm »
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"Monks, be islands unto yourselves, be your own refuge, having no other; let the Dhamma be an island and a refuge to you, having no other.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.043.wlsh.html


Buddha and sangha are dispensable.


Buzzkill ....

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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2017, 02:38:52 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2017, 02:45:21 pm »
Thanks to Pixie and Idle for your input regarding the order of refuge.

It is interesting to me that in my mind I suppose the order of importance to my practice of refuge has truly become :  Sangha, Dhamma, and Buddha as it applies to daily life.

That's cool.  At the day's end, I don't think it makes any difference  what order you view them and I'm not sure one is more important than the other.  With 6-fold refuge, there are a lot of Buddhists that have never heard of it.  It's all good.


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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2017, 02:46:17 pm »
Funny Story: Once someone was talking to someone else who was not "here & now" and they didn't seem to hear them.

Funny Question: Who is not "here & now"?

Funny Answer: No one.

Funny Interjection: How about two?



May all beings have happiness and the causes of happiness.
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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2017, 06:35:26 pm »
Funny Story: Once someone was talking to someone else who was not "here & now" and they didn't seem to hear them.

Funny Question: Who is not "here & now"?

Funny Answer: No one.

Funny Interjection: How about two?






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