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Offline waterandthetao

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Punishment
« on: January 10, 2017, 08:02:11 pm »
I wouldn't say i was a expect on Buddhism, or Zen, or Life, Spirituality or anything in those kind of categories. But i was simply wondering what the Buddha says about punishment?

Is it wrong to punish someone if they do right after being scolded?

Is it better to just let it go, even if they continue to do wrong?

I have many other questions regarding this topic but i would like a general idea before i ask deeper questions from somebody with alot more extensive knowledge on the subject.  :buddha:

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Re: Punishment
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2017, 05:34:10 pm »
Buddha paints the picture of becoming liberated with peace of mind when someone comes with the sword and liberates your karmic heir from that Samsaric realm. The violent suffer more than the pacifists because they have to live in these worlds. Nirvana seems then to be the realization of this liberation. Reincarnation is the enlightened being in a karmic heir that follows the lineage of the great middle way.

"Hate cannot conquer hate. Only love can conquer hate. This is the eternal Law, ancient and inexhaustible.": -The Buddha [Dhammapada]

Punishing the conditioned without changing the conditions does not change the natural progression of behavior.

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Re: Punishment
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2017, 09:36:33 pm »
I would appreciate it if you explained more about Karmic heir and the Samsric realm is that just using the buddist words for, using the sword agaisnt a person the heir to there own karma and samsric being another word that explains samsara which from my experiance is the nature of exsistance/nature/tibetan wheel of life etc
« Last Edit: January 11, 2017, 09:38:45 pm by waterandthetao, Reason: Errors »

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Re: Punishment
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2017, 10:54:05 pm »
i was simply wondering what the Buddha says about punishment?

Buddha explained that kamma (intentional action) resulted in consequences, which would be experienced in either this or subsequent lives, when the environmental conditions were conducive for the consequence to be expressed.  This is his law of kamma.

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Is it wrong to punish someone if they do right after being scolded?

As a parent, Buddha explained that the goal was to provide a change of non-beneficial behaviors.  He explains this most clearly in his story about a serial killer, who was asked by him to stop his killing.  Buddha's message was so powerful and so clear to the killer, that he not only stopped killing, but became a follower and later reformed himself so well that he attained the status of Arahant.

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Is it better to just let it go, even if they continue to do wrong?

No.  If you continue to do what is harmful, you will continue to earn consequences that will cause you harm.  If you stop harmful behavior and act beneficially, you will receive benefit from your actions.

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I have many other questions regarding this topic but i would like a general idea before i ask deeper questions from somebody with alot more extensive knowledge on the subject.

That is why this and other forums like this one are here.  Pleaw feel free to ask whatever questions you wish. :namaste:
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-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Punishment
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2017, 06:44:12 pm »
The reason for my post was regarding punishing animals if we can't communicate with them as clearly as humans  sometimes to physically punish them may be the only way to change them if we couldnt remove the source of what was making them do wrong as it is built into there nature to act on there instincts , Another question i would like to ask is did buddist monks defend there temples in times of war when there was opposing factions  seeking to take there land?

I guess i dont always want a page out of Buddha's book i want to know what you think as people i read this book on insight meditation that said its not much use knowing everything about buddha but being a stranger to your own self and not searching inside for answers.

The reason i add this point ^^^^ is because i could search up what buddha thinks about punishment and try and decode it and use it in my situation, but id prefer to know how some people on this forum who have followed the buddhas teachings for many years and have the knowledge installed in there hearts im sure you wise girls and boys dont see a situation happening and say hold on a moment i just need to check the texts on what buddha says to handle this situation please dont see me as someone who doesnt respect buddism or buddha i feel buddha has already saved my life but i have also saved my self using his teachings.

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Re: Punishment
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2017, 09:18:07 pm »
The reason for my post was regarding punishing animals if we can't communicate with them as clearly as humans  sometimes to physically punish them may be the only way to change them if we couldnt remove the source of what was making them do wrong as it is built into there nature to act on there instincts ,

True.  Animals don't speak many human languages, but they do respond to behavior modification techniques, such as positive reinforcement with food for desired behaviors, and consistent training techniques to assure that animals are not causing damage.


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Another question i would like to ask is did buddist monks defend there temples in times of war when there was opposing factions  seeking to take there land?

You will find that some Buddhist monks train themselves in defense techniques.  Shaolin Monks, for example are world renowned in self-defense arts in China.  Buddhists, monks and laypersons, are allowed to defend themselves against assault, but the first precept if committed to, requires that we cause no harm to living or sentient beings.

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I guess i dont always want a page out of Buddha's book i want to know what you think as people i read this book on insight meditation that said its not much use knowing everything about buddha but being a stranger to your own self and not searching inside for answers.

If a practitioner commits to precepts (right or harmonious ways of living) then it is to his/her best interest to keep them.

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The reason i add this point ^^^^ is because i could search up what buddha thinks about punishment and try and decode it and use it in my situation, but id prefer to know how some people on this forum who have followed the buddhas teachings for many years and have the knowledge installed in there hearts im sure you wise girls and boys dont see a situation happening and say hold on a moment i just need to check the texts on what buddha says to handle this situation please dont see me as someone who doesnt respect buddism or buddha i feel buddha has already saved my life but i have also saved my self using his teachings.

Well, then as you practice Buddha's teachings, check your life circumstances and see how you are doing.  If your life is improving then you are on the right track.  If your life is heading down-hill, then you are well advised to change and try something different.
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Punishment
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2017, 06:15:54 am »

The reason i add this point ^^^^ is because i could search up what buddha thinks about punishment and try and decode it and use it in my situation, but id prefer to know how some people on this forum who have followed the buddhas teachings for many years and have the knowledge installed in there hearts im sure you wise girls and boys dont see a situation happening and say hold on a moment i just need to check the texts on what buddha says to handle this situation please dont see me as someone who doesnt respect buddism or buddha i feel buddha has already saved my life but i have also saved my self using his teachings.

I found Ajahn Brahm on "Punishment" quite a nice view:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSjzzSev-lw

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