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Offline Serenast

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The purpose of it all
« on: August 17, 2017, 07:56:34 am »
But what else are we supposed to do? Is spiritual refinement such as in AA the purpose of our existence? Does the survival of this planet, the preservation of love and creativity depend upon the alchemy of our process? Turning the banal, lowly, grasping, clinging human into a golden, shining, giving spreader of love, light, wisdom, comfort? All this so that this beautiful world/universe can continue and warm the heart of its creator? And this creator, what is it? Why please it? So we can decorate the universe with our bright spirits? I dont mind, but wouldnt that just make the Creator another one of us? Clinging to the beauty and preservation of his creation, his life, his existence?

this question came to me this am while i was reading Sogyal Rinpoches wonderful TBOLAD. MY mother is dying. I am so so sad. I want to be of service to her. I dont mean to be provocative or contrary.  Its a genuine question.
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Re: The purpose of it all
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2017, 09:16:33 am »
What ever is born is subject to decay.

as for your current good desire:

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Kataññu Suttas: Gratitude

- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -

"Monks, I will teach you the level of a person of no integrity and the level of a person of integrity. Listen & pay close attention. I will speak."

"As you say, lord," the monks responded.

The Blessed One said, "Now what is the level of a person of no integrity? A person of no integrity is ungrateful & unthankful. This ingratitude, this lack of thankfulness, is advocated by rude people. It is entirely on the level of people of no integrity. A person of integrity is grateful & thankful. This gratitude, this thankfulness, is advocated by civil people. It is entirely on the level of people of integrity."

{II,iv,2} "I tell you, monks, there are two people who are not easy to repay. Which two? Your mother & father. Even if you were to carry your mother on one shoulder & your father on the other shoulder for 100 years, and were to look after them by anointing, massaging, bathing, & rubbing their limbs, and they were to defecate & urinate right there [on your shoulders], you would not in that way pay or repay your parents. If you were to establish your mother & father in absolute sovereignty over this great earth, abounding in the seven treasures, you would not in that way pay or repay your parents. Why is that? Mother & father do much for their children. They care for them, they nourish them, they introduce them to this world. But anyone who rouses his unbelieving mother & father, settles & establishes them in conviction; rouses his unvirtuous mother & father, settles & establishes them in virtue; rouses his stingy mother & father, settles & establishes them in generosity; rouses his foolish mother & father, settles & establishes them in discernment: To this extent one pays & repays one's mother & father."


But that is "just" an importand milestone, if even possile, of Serenast in regard of his "purpose" or better his possibility to make an end of purposeless wandering on.

What is not born, is not subject of decay. Not easy to archive but possible if taking it as the only usefull purpose of a gifted live where the possibility to have a life that makes, made sence is present.
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Re: The purpose of it all
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2017, 08:10:52 pm »
I believe the direct answer to your question will be and should be your own. Buddhist teachings will set the direction of inquirer, practice will move you toward your answers. Sorry if this seems glib, my sincere wish is that you may find peace and comfort.
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Re: The purpose of it all
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2017, 10:02:35 pm »
But what else are we supposed to do? Is spiritual refinement such as in AA the purpose of our existence? Does the survival of this planet, the preservation of love and creativity depend upon the alchemy of our process? Turning the banal, lowly, grasping, clinging human into a golden, shining, giving spreader of love, light, wisdom, comfort? All this so that this beautiful world/universe can continue and warm the heart of its creator? And this creator, what is it? Why please it? So we can decorate the universe with our bright spirits? I dont mind, but wouldnt that just make the Creator another one of us? Clinging to the beauty and preservation of his creation, his life, his existence?

Hi,
This is a very fundamental question that has been the subject of much philosophical and religious debate for thousands of years. What is the purpose of life?

Following is my own, personal interpretation, which I've formed over the years, pondering upon snippets of information from various sources.

To answer this question one should first inquire about the purpose of all life. Is there a fundamental purpose which is common among all lifeforms, including bacteria, plants and animals?

I would suggest that there is, and that purpose is to breed, multiply and flourish. This is a fundamental characteristic which distinguishes animate from inanimate matter; the capacity to self-replicate.

If one accepts the Darwinian theory of evolution and the modern science of genetics as being broadly true, as I do, then it is clear that the Homo Sapiens species is also an animal with the same fundamental drives as all other animals. These fundamental drives are, as Freud would say, sex and aggression.

All the many wars that mankind has fought throughout history, are expressions of our animal instincts for survival and dominance.

However, don't for one moment think I am disparaging humans and claiming that they are mere animals, or no better than any other species of animal.

Obviously we have a more developed and sophisticated brain, on the whole, than any other species of animal. Our capacity for language and abstract thought allows us to think and contemplate about such issues as 'the purpose of our existence'.

The creation of religions in general, throughout human history, are attempts to answer such questions and provide meaning to life, as well as to assist in the hierarchical control of societies, by the ruling classes.

Unfortunately, most religious practices in my view, do not seem to be able to disentangle themselves from these basic drives of sex and aggression. A typical example would be a so-called Christian nation engaging in warfare, despite the fundamental teaching of Christianity that one should 'love thine enemy'.

However, Buddhism, as explained in the voluminous scriptures, seems to identify more clearly these animal instincts which we all have, and attempts to provide methods of surmounting them and controlling them, in order to become 'masters of ourselves', rather than victims of our animal heritage.

That's what appeals to me about Buddhism, as in the original texts which are claimed to be based on the teachings by Gautama, rather than the political organisation of the religion in certain countries. Also, the advice in the Kalama Sutta helps me separate 'the wheat from the chaff'.  :wink1:


 


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