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Re: Unprogramming unhelpful beliefs
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2017, 11:00:51 am »
You’re probably right Rahul, without a common language it’s difficult to communicate effectively. That’s even more of a problem in dealing with subtle meditative states. I think that most of the folks on this site are steeped in Theravada terminology and formulas. An outsider like myself, who’s training has been in the zen school, which is direct and experiential, without reliance on words, can feel like a solitary voice crying in the wilderness.

I’m also coming to the conclusion, that besides being a colossal waste of time, the effect the internet has on brain function is actually inimical to meditation practice.
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My first formal meditation training was with Shunryu Suzuki in the 60's and later with Kobun, Robert Aitken and many other teachers (mainly zen). However, I've spent the most time practicing on my own, which is all I do now. I'm living in a rather isolated area so I miss connecting with other practitioners. Despite my interest in zen I've made an effort to remain secular. You can visit my website at http://www.frogzen.com

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Re: Unprogramming unhelpful beliefs
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2017, 11:33:05 am »
.... An outsider like myself, who’s training has been in the zen school, which is direct and experiential, without reliance on words, can feel like a solitary voice crying in the wilderness.


Interesting that you should see things that way, because (not meaning to be rude) I've always though of you and your firmly Mahayana stance with its frequent references to your 'blog,' as being quite a dominating presence on this forum, Zafrogzen!

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Re: Unprogramming unhelpful beliefs
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2017, 12:13:24 pm »
I’m also coming to the conclusion, that besides being a colossal waste of time, the effect the internet has on brain function is actually inimical to meditation practice.

Not necessarily, text meditation can be the zen union of the internet. :wink1:

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Re: Unprogramming unhelpful beliefs
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2017, 02:50:10 pm »
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What definition of Samadhi are you using?
My own, based on my humble meditative experience. No thoughts, no concepts, no objects of concentration, no images, no intentions, no mental modifications, no discrimination and no separation.

Mindfulness implies being mindful OF something, while mindlessness (Samadhi) is pure and open --  without any object or intention, yet everything is accomplished and resolved. My point was that unless one has some experience of the insight that can arise out of Samadhi, genuine mindfulness and nonattachment is not really possible. It’s a matter of finding the horse that pulls the cart, not the other way around. In order to move, you hit the horse, not the cart.

Yes.

I think "mindfulness" is over-rated, misunderstood and as a reult is misused.

We use mindfullness to help calm and settle the mind and move beyond that into what you describe.


 


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