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What attainment is Ram Bahadur Bomjon (Buddha Boy)?
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What attainment is Ram Bahadur Bomjon (Buddha Boy)?

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2018, 03:31:39 pm »
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Re: What attainment is Ram Bahadur Bomjon (Buddha Boy)?
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2018, 04:37:17 pm »

What attainment is Ram Bahadur Bomjon (Buddha Boy)?

Why would you want to count someone else's riches?

https://halkoriatimes.wordpress.com/

Anyone who goes off into the jungle to meditate alone nowadays, especially in Nepal or India, is just seeking attention. Real seclusion and renunciation can be found right in your own home, without anyone knowing about it.

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My first formal meditation training was with Shunryu Suzuki in the 60's and later with Kobun, Robert Aitken and many other teachers (mainly zen). However, I've spent the most time practicing on my own, which is all I do now. I'm living in a rather isolated area so I miss connecting with other practitioners. Despite my interest in zen I've made an effort to remain secular. You can visit my website at http://www.frogzen.com

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Re: What attainment is Ram Bahadur Bomjon (Buddha Boy)?
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 10:36:23 pm »
From a list of controversial "Buddhist" teachers and groups:

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Bomjon became internationally known because of his seemingly endless meditation in Halhoria Forest in Nepal 2005. He has now built a strong following in Nepal and influential following abroad. However, several reports have appeared in the media on acts of corruption, violence, torture and abduction by this person who believes himself to be Maitreya Buddha (yes, another one, see under Maitreya below). This report by a victim of him gives an overview of the reported problems.

http://viewonbuddhism.org/texts/Bomjon-controversy-report.pdf



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Re: What attainment is Ram Bahadur Bomjon (Buddha Boy)?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2018, 04:02:04 pm »
Having read the linked reports on the violence and torture committed by Bomjon, I'm amazed how he has got away with it. It says a lot about the corruption in Nepal.

Bomjon's behaviour, if the reports are correct, is the antithesis of my understanding of Buddhism.

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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2018, 03:19:09 am »
Having read the linked reports on the violence and torture committed by Bomjon, I'm amazed how he has got away with it. It says a lot about the corruption in Nepal.

Bomjon's behaviour, if the reports are correct, is the antithesis of my understanding of Buddhism.

First you condemn the man for what are allegations - having never been tried and found guilty of anything he's been accused of.  Put another way, INNOCENT until proven guilty.  Not to excuse that, but people do jump to those kinds of conclusions all the time, so it's no surprise that you might say it.  Yet in the next sentence you use offer the condition of correct reporting.  :smack:  Nice, but confusing.

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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2018, 03:50:41 pm »
Having read the linked reports on the violence and torture committed by Bomjon, I'm amazed how he has got away with it. It says a lot about the corruption in Nepal.

Bomjon's behaviour, if the reports are correct, is the antithesis of my understanding of Buddhism.

First you condemn the man for what are allegations - having never been tried and found guilty of anything he's been accused of.  Put another way, INNOCENT until proven guilty.  Not to excuse that, but people do jump to those kinds of conclusions all the time, so it's no surprise that you might say it.  Yet in the next sentence you use offer the condition of correct reporting.  :smack:  Nice, but confusing.

Confusing to you perhaps, but not confusing to me, and not confusing to most inquiring people, I imagine.

"If the reports are correct", is a condition that applies to all situations without exception, whether news reports, or direct reports through one's own senses of the surrounding environment.

I added the phrase in the second sentence, just in case some readers new to Buddhism are not aware of this, and assume that everything they read and/or experience through the senses is true, yet you, as a Buddhist, appear to be still confused. Very strange!

If you have evidence that the numerous reports of Bomjon's misbehaviour, or unBuddhist behaviour, are false, then please provide a link to that evidence, so we may all consider it. In my country, Australia, if a newspaper reports any event which is found to be false or defamatory, the newspaper will not just remove the article from its archives, but will print an apology and a correction.

There appears to be a cover-up going on in Nepal. I've highlighted 'appear' in bold, just in case you are confused again.  :wink1:

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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2018, 04:17:11 pm »
Having read the linked reports on the violence and torture committed by Bomjon, I'm amazed how he has got away with it. It says a lot about the corruption in Nepal.

Bomjon's behaviour, if the reports are correct, is the antithesis of my understanding of Buddhism.

First you condemn the man for what are allegations - having never been tried and found guilty of anything he's been accused of.  Put another way, INNOCENT until proven guilty.  Not to excuse that, but people do jump to those kinds of conclusions all the time, so it's no surprise that you might say it.  Yet in the next sentence you use offer the condition of correct reporting.  :smack:  Nice, but confusing.

Confusing to you perhaps, but not confusing to me, and not confusing to most inquiring people, I imagine.

"If the reports are correct", is a condition that applies to all situations without exception, whether news reports, or direct reports through one's own senses of the surrounding environment.

I added the phrase in the second sentence, just in case some readers new to Buddhism are not aware of this, and assume that everything they read and/or experience through the senses is true, yet you, as a Buddhist, appear to be still confused. Very strange!

If you have evidence that the numerous reports of Bomjon's misbehaviour, or unBuddhist behaviour, are false, then please provide a link to that evidence, so we may all consider it. In my country, Australia, if a newspaper reports any event which is found to be false or defamatory, the newspaper will not just remove the article from its archives, but will print an apology and a correction.

There appears to be a cover-up going on in Nepal. I've highlighted 'appear' in bold, just in case you are confused again.  :wink1:

I don't know where you are, but whereI'm from the burden of proof lies with those who assert guilt.  IN other words, those of us who await evidence and judgment are free to sit back.  Folks like you, who assum that the Buddha Boy has done something wrong or illegal, based on hearsay or innuendo have to prove it.  And you haven't.  You are of course, free to think and even do whatever you want, but you have to right to impune someone's character, publically.

There appears to be nothing going on in the way of a coverup.  For there to be a coverup there needs to be a crime.  For there to be a crime there must be an indictment.  For an indictment there must be evidence. There is none.

Best to keep slanderous opinions to one's self.

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Re: What attainment is Ram Bahadur Bomjon (Buddha Boy)?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2018, 09:27:21 pm »
Having read the linked reports on the violence and torture committed by Bomjon, I'm amazed how he has got away with it. It says a lot about the corruption in Nepal.

Bomjon's behaviour, if the reports are correct, is the antithesis of my understanding of Buddhism.

First you condemn the man for what are allegations - having never been tried and found guilty of anything he's been accused of.  Put another way, INNOCENT until proven guilty.  Not to excuse that, but people do jump to those kinds of conclusions all the time, so it's no surprise that you might say it.  Yet in the next sentence you use offer the condition of correct reporting.  :smack:  Nice, but confusing.

Confusing to you perhaps, but not confusing to me, and not confusing to most inquiring people, I imagine.

"If the reports are correct", is a condition that applies to all situations without exception, whether news reports, or direct reports through one's own senses of the surrounding environment.

I added the phrase in the second sentence, just in case some readers new to Buddhism are not aware of this, and assume that everything they read and/or experience through the senses is true, yet you, as a Buddhist, appear to be still confused. Very strange!

If you have evidence that the numerous reports of Bomjon's misbehaviour, or unBuddhist behaviour, are false, then please provide a link to that evidence, so we may all consider it. In my country, Australia, if a newspaper reports any event which is found to be false or defamatory, the newspaper will not just remove the article from its archives, but will print an apology and a correction.

There appears to be a cover-up going on in Nepal. I've highlighted 'appear' in bold, just in case you are confused again.  :wink1:

I don't know where you are, but where I'm from the burden of proof lies with those who assert guilt.

Of course it does. What I've read are numerous newspaper reports of people being harmed by Bomjon, a  picture of police appearing to investigate a slapping incident, a picture of a house bulldozed down by Nepalese authorities after Bomjon had been evicted due to his 'claimed' series of crimes in 2012, and so on.

Here's the link:  https://halkoriatimes.wordpress.com/2014/11/25/the-ram-bahadur-bomjon-controversy/

What you appear to have missed is that there is at least one certain crime in this situation that is obvious. The possible crimes of Bomjon, if the reports are true, the possible crimes of the Nepalese newspapers if the reports are not true, and the possible crimes of the claimed victims of Bomjon who might have falsely accused Bomjon of the abuse.

There has to be at least one guilty party, but the whole issue has been swept under the carpet. Sweeping things under the carpet is known as a cover-up.

I can only comment on what I perceive and read. I haven't read any statements from Bomjon's claimed victims that they have been misreported or misrepresented by the Nepalese newspapers. If you have such information, then please post some links and I will reconsider my view.

Here's an explanation as to why this issue has been swept under the carpet, and not taken to court.

"He has a strong group of followers in Nepal and abroad, from many areas, including political personalities and influential businessmen. Contrary to his teachings about non-violence, world-peace and compassion, his own actions and the deeds of his followers are often reported by victims, witnesses and the media as violent and morally inconsistent. Due to the prolonged political crisis in Nepal the situation still does not allow a valid law enforcement, thus the extensively controversial behavior of Ram Bahadur Bomjon can go unnoticed and often unrecorded, and the perpetrators are enjoying impunity."



 


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