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Offline francis

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Re: Where is Karma and how it can affect our lives?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2017, 07:35:29 pm »
Where is Karma and how it can affect our lives?

Hi bahman,

The Buddha’s teachings on kamma are different to his contemporaries, and the modern western interpretation which is confused with fate.

Thanissaro’s Kamma A Study Guide is a good place to learn about kamma and how it can affect our lives.

"Enlightenment, for a wave in the ocean, is the moment the wave realises it is water." - Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: Where is Karma and how it can affect our lives?
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2017, 07:42:22 pm »
It seems to me that much of this discourse is from a materialist point of view. Buddhism is for me a vehicle for spiritual growth. I can't argue that someone is having, or should be having, a good or bad life with only superficial knowledge of him. Following the guidance set forth in the eightfold path has led to a richer, happier life for me. Kamma?  I would say yes. By richer I mean a deeper, sometimes more insightful, appreciation and understanding of myself and the way I interact with the world. Happier as a result. Kamma


Hi philboyd,

That’s a very good explanation of Buddhist kamma.

Kamma Sutta SN 35.145 translaton by Walshe.

"Monks, I will teach you about new kamma and old kamma, about the ceasing of kamma and the path that leads to the ceasing of kamma. Listen well, pay close attention and I will speak.

"What, monks, is old kamma?

"The eye [ear, nose tongue, body (touch), mind],[1] monks, is to be regarded as old kamma, brought into existence and created by volition,[2] forming a basis for feeling.[3] This, monks, is called 'old kamma.'

"And what, monks, is new kamma?

"The action[4] one performs now by body, speech and mind. This monks, is called 'new kamma.'

"When, monks, by ceasing actions of body, speech and mind, one touches liberation,[5] this, monks, is called 'the ceasing of kamma.'

"And what, monks, is the path that leads to the ceasing of kamma?

"It is the Noble Eightfold Path, namely Right View, Right Thought, Right Speech, Right Action,[6] Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration. This, monks, is called 'the path that leads to the ceasing of kamma.'[7]

"Whatever, monks, a teacher ought to do out of compassion, for the profit of his disciples, that I have done, having compassion for you.

"Here monks, are the roots of trees! Here are lonely places! Meditate monks. Do not be slothful, have no subsequent regrets. Thus we charge you."

Notes

1. Woodward quotes SA [SN commentary] as correctly pointing out that "Eye in itself is not old but it has come about by former actions [i.e., kamma.]"
2. Cf. the classic definition of kamma at AN 6.63: cetanaaha.m bhikkhave kamma.m vadaami "volition, monks, I declare to be kamma" (see A.nguttara Nikaaya: An Anthology translated by Nyaa.naponika Thera, Part II [WH 208-211], p.67).
3. Vedaniiya.m. Hence a basis for craving etc.
4. The same word kamma is used in the Pali.
5. This is really the Third Noble Truth.
6. The word here is kammanta. Right Action is specifically the observance of the first three precepts, i.e., abstaining from killing, theft and sexual misconduct.
7. Kammanirodha-gaaminii-pa.tipadaa. The usual term for the Path is dukkhanirodha-gaaminii-pa.tipadaa "the path (or practice) that leads to the extinction of suffering." Here the link between kamma and dukkha is clearly brought out. Those who have attained the goal do not create even good kamma.

"Enlightenment, for a wave in the ocean, is the moment the wave realises it is water." - Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: Where is Karma and how it can affect our lives?
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2017, 09:36:01 pm »
One could be a drug dealer and very rich. He has very good life. There are many bad people who have very good life. Where is Kamma?
You got to explain what you think Karma is. Your statement above shows very limited view. It's just like saying: I dropped a glass but it didn't broke down, so I don't believe that glass is fragile. Yes, but that's because the glass was dropped on a mattress. Ok, so I dropped the glass on a hard surface and it still didn't break, so I don't see that the glass is fragile. Yes, but you dropped it just from an inch of distance...

Just because a drug dealer is 'rich', means karma doesn't exist? Do you think 'rich' means happy? There are so many variables that are to be considered. We should avoid coming to a conclusion based on limited information.

 


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