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My lama has no nose . . .
« on: August 31, 2013, 01:24:47 am »
On another forum this image of a 'non decaying' lamas body was displayed after years of burial and no decay.



It is a great picture.
Someone made the comment:
'Reminds me of some two year old potatoes at the back of the fridge', which I thought was both funny and profound.
Sadly the posters attitude to pickled death and potatoes was deleted as inappropriate. Not for me, they seem deeply salient and great dharma.

Are you a potatoe head? Has your nose fallen off? Is death fearful?
to be respected? laughable?
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http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=3,4433,0,0,1,0#.UiGnV6a9KSM

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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2013, 01:54:02 am »
The hambo lama has some signs of decay, but certainly not what one would expect, though some of this might actually be related to the salt that was within the coffin itself, as well as climate, environment, ect.
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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2013, 09:48:07 am »
Monk pickling now illegal in Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_mummies

Rainbow body not available on Youtube
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_body

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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2013, 10:33:27 am »
Why Buddha cremated and some pickled?

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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2013, 01:04:11 pm »
Why Buddha cremated and some pickled?


Variety maybe. Not sure.
Relics of the Buddha are in every Stupa (not sure how) as that is a lot of bits.

maybe these practices are to keep up with Christian Saints
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorruptibility

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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2013, 11:33:21 pm »
Why Buddha cremated and some pickled?
Wingmen,

Actually dedicating his corpse to monks as a useful meditation object was long time tradition. Now it turns more into person occult and business as it is always a magnet for visitors=donations.

Buddha did not really mentioned a way of corpse disposal and its always merely up to climate and folk traditions. So when you see a corpse, stay with it as long as you can and investigate it with wisdom.

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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2013, 05:30:28 pm »
Who has stayed with corpses?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asubha

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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2013, 05:38:01 pm »
Who has stayed with corpses?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophilia

Sorry, but I had to go there  :teehee:

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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2013, 07:59:27 am »
Who has stayed with corpses?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophilia

Sorry, but I had to go there  :teehee:


Necrophila is one thing, but one aspect of corpse meditation, which many of us have already experienced is seeing the cold, stiff remains of a loved one after their death.  I have held their cold, stiff hands, kissed their lips, and hugged them before closing the coffin lids and placing them beneath the ground into their vaults.  As a reflection since practicing Buddhism I remember to repeat:  "As they are so will I be."  ....and remind my self that I continue to dwell in this house of emptiness."

While this reflection has been beneficial, I recognized upon each event of death in my own family the emence degree of unconscious clinging and attachment to loved-ones as I could literally feel as though my heart was being ripped from my chest.  My experience has been that only time and deep gasping tears seem to end such feelings of pain and remorse.

Grandmothers, Grandfathers, Mothers, Fathers, Aunts, Uncles, Brothers, Sisters, Wives, Husbands, and Children all die.

I am reminded of a sutta in which Buddha was asked by a mother for him to raise her son from death.  Buddha agreed, but told her that she must first bring him  but a single mustard seed from a house in the nearby village, where death had never taken a member of their family.  The mother felt both hope and desperation as she knocked on every village door, only to find that death had taken family members from each and every household.  She returned to the Buddha and told him that she now fully realized The Dhamma. :buddha2:

source:  http://www.accesstoinsight.org/noncanon/comy/thiga-10-01-ao0.html
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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2013, 11:58:46 am »

While this reflection has been beneficial, I recognized upon each event of death in my own family the emence degree of unconscious clinging and attachment to loved-ones as I could literally feel as though my heart was being ripped from my chest.  My experience has been that only time and deep gasping tears seem to end such feelings of pain and remorse.

Grandmothers, Grandfathers, Mothers, Fathers, Aunts, Uncles, Brothers, Sisters, Wives, Husbands, and Children all die.


My first encounter with this was when my father died --- as the oldest of three children and his namesake, I cried and cried uncontrollably, couldn't stop and no one could seemed to be able to calm the pain of the heartbroken child that stood before them.

Looking back now, I'm not sure what bothered me more at the time, the fact that I lost my father or my grandmother's declaration that I needed to stop crying because I was now the man of the house, as it was all too much for a young kid to take in.

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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2013, 01:14:30 pm »
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Incognito:  Looking back now, I'm not sure what bothered me more at the time, the fact that I lost my father or my grandmother's declaration that I needed to stop crying because I was now the man of the house, as it was all too much for a young kid to take in.

Yeah, I remember that "Be a man routine!"  Ironically it was my father who hit me in the ribs with his elbow sitting next to me in the church as we attended my mother's (his wife's) funeral mass.  I was crying uncontrollably while grieving my mother's death.  In a way he succeeded, because  I did not shed even one tear when he died.  But, my heart still felt like it was being ripped out of my chest.  It was through these death experiences that I learned that Love is perhaps the most terrible of attachments.  Loss of Oxygen is tough, too.   :buddha:
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: My lama has no nose . . .
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2013, 01:25:53 pm »
The most terrible and at the same time a valuable lesson when it comes to impermanence.  :om:

 


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