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Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« on: September 04, 2017, 01:45:57 am »
May person was told by Bhante Hasapanno , that there is currently the undertaking to rebuild (old was burning down) the facilities of Wat Vimokkharam  (forest monastery near Melburn), where he took on some responsibilities for it's realisation for the mixed Ven. Community of Thai and forest tradition connected Dhammayut and Mahanikayan Sangha members.

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from the monasteries website , propably by the lay management
Site Re-development

The Planning Permit for the redevelopment of the site comes with some arduous demands before any actual building works can proceed.

The most significant of these is the design and construction of a number of retaining walls.  Most people may be aware of these areas that are largely made up of cuts into the hill, one at the back of the previously existing building extending along to the carport and behind the Kuti and the corresponding bank behind the sheds and compost toilet.

The Building Subcommittee have sourced fee proposals for the services of the following; a Land Surveyor, Building Surveyor and Structural & Civil Engineer.

We have also engaged the services of a draftsperson to produce the documentation required to call tenders on the works and to obtain a building permit.  He will work in conjunction with the Architect who has kindly donated his services to prepare the Schematic Design for the new Hermitage and will continue to assist with the Design Development.

Once all the various fee proposals have been received the Building Sub-committee can make the important decision how best to proceed forward with the relevant documentation.

Some of you may already be aware that we also hope to reconnect the mains power supply before the building works commence in order to make the living facilities on site at little easier.


Since any useful support does not only make the project become realized, but also gives most needed release for the Venerables to focus on practice and possible then also on sharing their merits, which is also more secondary, it's surely a good possibility for getting involved in what ever way and have joy with meritious deeds.

May the Venerables be soon releast from those burdens and may they have soon best enviroment for a comfortable dwelling to support the strife for the highest fruits of Dhamma best.

Good maybe to contact the lay management for questions of need, possible via the form on the website. Best for sure to make a personal visit, get direct known and involved and look for yourself what might possible inspire and able to fill on needs.
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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2017, 05:30:41 pm »
Thank you, Johann. I am looking at the website. I have visited this area, which is wet-forest & mountain. The land is small, 400 metres x 100 metres. I will investigate further their activities & may provide support.  :namaste:

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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2017, 05:54:44 pm »
If one would be and Australian monk, he would not be a monk at all. Lucky those who see of what has value. May those seeking their luck in making things it's own, invest in me, my and I, find also their way to happiness.

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Then the Blessed One waved the hand in the air: "Just as, Bhikkhus, this hand is not hold, not seized, not imprisoned in the air, even so, Bhikkhus, a families approaching Bhikkhus mind, whatever, does not get hold, seized, nor imprisoned admidst families: 'Let those, being selfish and given to gain, be selfish and given to gain, let those, being given to merits, do merits', and what ever he gains he is pleased and joyful, so as with what others gain he is pleased and joyful, like this, Bhikkhus, a Bhikkhu ready to approach families.

"Kassapa (the wanderer), Bhikkhus, approaches families with a mind that does not get hold, seized, nor imprisoned admidst families (,thinking:) 'Let those, being selfish and given to gain, be selfish and given to gain, let those, being given to merits, do merits', and what ever he gains he is pleased and joyful, so as with what others gain he is pleased and joyful.

Candūpama Sutta: Comparable to the Moon
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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2017, 06:22:41 pm »
If one would be and Australian monk, he would not be a monk at all. Lucky those who see of what has value. May those seeking their luck in making things it's own, invest in me, my and I, find also their way to happiness.

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Then the Blessed One waved the hand in the air: "Just as, Bhikkhus, this hand is not hold, not seized, not imprisoned in the air, even so, Bhikkhus, a families approaching Bhikkhus mind, whatever, does not get hold, seized, nor imprisoned admidst families: 'Let those, being selfish and given to gain, be selfish and given to gain, let those, being given to merits, do merits', and what ever he gains he is pleased and joyful, so as with what others gain he is pleased and joyful, like this, Bhikkhus, a Bhikkhu ready to approach families.

"Kassapa (the wanderer), Bhikkhus, approaches families with a mind that does not get hold, seized, nor imprisoned admidst families (,thinking:) 'Let those, being selfish and given to gain, be selfish and given to gain, let those, being given to merits, do merits', and what ever he gains he is pleased and joyful, so as with what others gain he is pleased and joyful.

Candūpama Sutta: Comparable to the Moon



This is the most useful post Nyom has made. Possibly, all of Nyom's posts can be the same.  :teehee:

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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2017, 06:32:31 pm »
May the Venerables be soon releast from those burdens and may they have soon best enviroment for a comfortable dwelling to support the strife for the highest fruits of Dhamma best.

This view is wrong view. The real monk must work and not rest. When the mind has realised voidness, any worldly work is easy to do for the sake of Dhamma.

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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2017, 07:09:55 pm »
May person was told by Bhante Hasapanno , that there is currently the undertaking to rebuild (old was burning down) the facilities of Wat Vimokkharam  (forest monastery near Melburn)...

Nyom Johann

While I myself cannot explain a method for success, do you think these Western monks & Theravada Buddhism has failed in the West? This is an old hermitage near Australia's 2nd largest city but there is no Australian monk to live there and no community large enough to maintain it. What is going on, here?

This order has at least four monasteries in Australia:

* Buddhabodhivana, with English abbot

* Buddhadhamma, with Vietnamese-American abbot

* Dhammagiri, with German abbot

* Vimokkharam, with Canadian abbot

Each is supported by Asian community.

Where do you think Theravada Buddhism has failed in increasing patronage & followers in the West?

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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2017, 08:01:58 pm »
It's kind that Element call's my person like a recluse would approche his father and mother.

Look, it's simple: one get what he has given. And for the luck that any Monk put any effort in approaching people who actually are very less fortuned, like most in modern world, such person not really gifted would actually do proper to show in all ways his/her gratitude.
As for the nationalistic and selfish lay priest, after making Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha their own for their low gains, don't worry, they will gain their corrupters of family.
Personal my person does not see any conductive condition for Sangha would ever really come and resist in the west. If monks, who nevertheless try to teach and benefit merely hungry ghosts and conceitful Brahmans has at least any benefit... me doubts. Why then? It's for those who can be healed, that those who can not receive Dhamma and possibilities, as the Buddha told about sick people and why "invest" in the lost. So also this words are just for those possible to heal, able to make merits and dilight in the Gems rather of what fool like to make their own, "we", "our"...

And don't worry Element, to ever give to the Savaka Sangha and Noble Ones, they have already turned the bowl for Element.

The monks will be just supported to do nor invest much of their precious time, reading your views.

That's going on here, and poor those who associated with fools, left over with either empty or full of corruped monks monasteries and their low trades.

Most monks would be really much wiser and supportive for those last with some Upanissaya, to spend their holly life in the last parts on earth where the holly life still can be lived, and really let go of their kin, finally. So would possible my person as well. How ever, much of the given day by day by "poor" (actually rich) is dedicated to their ancestors, petas and ghost, also those who got lost, so it's good to forward it, some may had merits and can receive their gifts. Some are fools and even try to hunt their mothers, fathers and beneficers...


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"Bhikkhus, approach families comparable to the moon: good retired with body and mind, ever retentive like a newcomer families unobtrusive.

"Like a man looking down at a decayed well, an escarp, or a steep riverbank, would retire his body and mind, so too, Bhikkhus, should you always compareable to the moon, good retired with body and mind, approach families, retentive like a newcomer families unobtrusive.

"Kassapa (the wanderer, without attachment to common families, nations and kin, a son of the Buddha, the Sanghas father), Bhikkhus, approches families compareable to the moon: good retired with body and mind, ever retentive like a newcomer families unobtrusive.

Candūpama Sutta: Comparable to the Moon



Where modern people fail? That's easy to answer, in lending teachers and doubters like Element, and traders even an ear. What ever one gives, what ever one seeks for, that he gains and can then stay an isolated island with him/her self, standig like petas behind the walls. Mr. David S.

Better to Give than to Consume, better to start to pay back the big amounts of debts... then further demand.


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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2017, 09:05:40 pm »
Since having the freedom to do, not bound by duties and thinking mainly on those with eyes, and seldom possibilities my person is able to give, aware that those with bad thoughts and seeking for insult may just get additional food to allege for their bad thought... my person thinks its good to share those with confidence in Sangha and the juwels, those with eyes, for the arising, increasing and maintaining of saddha, faith, and to know about the goodness their receive, a very personal letter, Bhante did not answer, since truth and "compassion" is something that one has gone forth needs to struggle a long time and certain attachment to previous family only falls for an Arahat finally. May those capable to receive and see, benefit from it, may those used to harm, beat and unsult innocent, their mothers and fathers, perceive as less pain as possible when the fruits of their deeds arise. With open hand and nothing to hide. It migh even that Bhante or other members of the Sangha are not happy with such oppeness, and that it might cut of things one usually would hold on:

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from a letter to Bhante Hasapanno, my person was gifted to get known, some weeks ago:

Sadhu, Ven. Sir.

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Having made the "mistake" to first time building something by own intention, even it was just a small tank an a kuti here, please, please, please, take care of this poision for the path. It's not to carry sand, doing hard work, but you have real troubles with the wanting, and its organising... and that then even without fault (for normal not possible). It took my person a long time to make this decision, but right after a week I knew that it was foolish to take one something you already had hardly given up in all spheres (that comes from a former successfull building civil engineer for big projects). So if Bhante has any mental chance, don't touch this matter, if people what to do something, let it be if not against the Vinaya.
So honest Samanera would prefer to see Bhante here dwelling, doing the life he loves to write about. This words reach him from [someone], doing a life that is said to be impossible since good four years, not even the support and compfort like the reading in the books. Just the Three Gems.

Such is so fast gone when taking on the thought to build. My person saw Bhante is just some month older. Having yesterday read the story of the street builder in Chiang Mai, be reminded like he by Ajahn Mun and he did not turn away thinking "oh a Boddhisata", he was just kind as possible.

Bhante, this is the last generation and there are very view places to live the holly live left where wrong views have not closed the door.

This world is not lacking eating halls and Viharas, even if there are very less kutis in the mountains, still it lacks of worrier and Arahats and one meets much more people effective so that faith really has a foundation.

What if Bhante just put aside all the householder signs and works, maybe accepts even an disciple and just uses the last chance, free as a bird here? Something tells Samanera, that he has the merits and can stick to Vinaya in it's pure way to walk this way as well.
Ohh, even now short before down Samanera could leave here all behind just by the thought.

How unimportant, even if nice and 1000 hours of work, all the other stuff.

[...]

There is a sutta. May my person ask Bhante or one of his fellows, for a translation?

AN 4.191 (there does not exist a translation in line with Dhamma Vinaya as Dana.


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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2017, 09:08:33 pm »
If monks, who nevertheless try to teach and benefit merely hungry ghosts and conceitful Brahmans has at least any benefit... me doubts.

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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2017, 09:16:51 pm »
Having made the "mistake" to first time building something by own intention, even it was just a small tank an a kuti here, please, please, please, take care of this poision for the path.

I never had any problems with this. In the forest monasteries, work is part of the method liberation.  :namaste:

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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2017, 09:20:22 pm »
Pleased to win and find his corruped view approved, like a foolish dog catching and get hold his tail. The fool cut even the last string of furtune of, chewing pride on his tail (conceit) pleased, not aware of the pain later, when fruits will ripe. So let him his short victory, it all he is able to effort.
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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2017, 09:25:14 pm »
Pleased to win and find his corruped view approved, like a foolish dog catching and get hold his tail. The fool cut even the last string of furtune of, chewing pride on his tail (conceit) pleased, not aware of the pain later, when fruits will ripe. So let him his short victory, it all he is able to effort.

Dear Johann. I sincerely suggest to abandon this type of thinking & communication. It is like urinating into the wind. It is useless. With metta.  <3

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Re: Support Rebuilding Wat Vimokkharam Melburne, Australia
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2017, 09:35:58 pm »
Pleased to win and find his corruped view approved, like a foolish dog catching and get hold his tail. The fool cut even the last string of furtune of, chewing pride on his tail (conceit) pleased, not aware of the pain later, when fruits will ripe. So let him his short victory, it all he is able to effort.
Did the mind realise emptiness (sunnata).  :lmfao: :teehee:

 


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