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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2017, 01:56:44 am »
It is fascinating that you proliferate a belief that is unique, while at the same time heavily dependent on Buddhist teachings. Creating a you and other by deprecating the very philosophy you have structured your reality on.
No belief, no philosophy, no dependence, no reality.

Empty of everything and nothing.  :fu:

That's  really clever. 
Suchness, i.e. simplicity, doesn't know 'clever'.  :fu:

How would you know?  You haven't achieved it.

What is 'you'? What is 'achieve'?

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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2017, 02:00:32 am »
Isn't it fascinating how that which is utterly simple has an inherent urge to proliferate into complexity?

If one does not trace back complexity to its source how can there ever be what the theravadins call 'nibbida' and 'virago'?

Empty of everything and nothing.
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In simplicity thoughts and perceptions are useless. They are the manifestations of the inherent urge which does not know. Being useless they are negative repelling any contact (phassa). Repelling any contact they leave no trace.

Utter boundless equanimity.

Once tasted the urge to proliferate ceases since knowing has taken its place.  :fu:
Emptiness births fascination?
It is fascinating that you proliferate a belief that is unique, while at the same time heavily dependent on Buddhist teachings. Creating a you and other by deprecating the very philosophy you have structured your reality on.
No belief, no philosophy, no dependence, no reality.

Empty of everything and nothing.  :fu:

Emptiness births many phenomena ... phenomena like bliss, murder, car and tree. There is nothing that is not born from emptiness. Perceptions, thoughts ... these words. Spontaneously present in absence.  :fu:

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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2017, 02:59:20 am »
I agree, let's not forget belief, philosophy, dependence, and personality. Parrots too.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2017, 03:41:50 am by philboyd »
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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2017, 04:21:29 am »
All phenomena are useless fabrications. Emptiness is empty of self and other, empty of everything and nothing.

Simplicity is the nature of nibbida and viraga.  :fu:


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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2017, 09:14:06 pm »
Now, as far as nibbida is concerned, it may be stained by subtle kind of aversion. That is why it is sometimes translated as 'aversion, or 'weariness' regarding perceptions and thoughts.
But this aversion is simply the result of a failure of rational analysis, a lack of insight which results in not seeing the emptiness of perceptions and thoughts directly. Because if emptiness is seen directly emptiness, nibbida and viraga (dispassion) are actually inseparably one negative phenomenon where 'negative' implies the absence of what has ceased and the transformation of the ground of ordinary existence into the ground of being.

Thus the simplicity/suchness of the uselessness of perceptions and thoughts is accessed through temporary excursion into the complexity of applied perceptions and rational thoughts. What is important whowever is that any meditation has to be avoided. Meditation is a fetter.  :fu:

 


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