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Did Buddha believe in God?
« on: May 28, 2017, 12:59:08 am »
Namaste everyone.

I would like to ask, did Buddha believe in God?

For me, this is a question that is confusing. I am not lucky enough to be able to visit a temple, so I have to research Buddhism online. When I look up this question, I don't get clear answers. From my understanding, Buddha did not believe in God and apparently disapproved when priests talked about god. From what I read from this book, Buddha believed that God made this earth but does not control us and can't end our suffering. But most websites explain to me that Buddha did not believe in God. Period. But it wouldn't make any sense because how would this earth be made without someone making it. Its very confusing and I hope someone can help me with my question.
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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2017, 02:06:33 am »
Namaste everyone.

I would like to ask, did Buddha believe in God?

For me, this is a question that is confusing. I am not lucky enough to be able to visit a temple, so I have to research Buddhism online. When I look up this question, I don't get clear answers. From my understanding, Buddha did not believe in God and apparently disapproved when priests talked about god. From what I read from this book, Buddha believed that God made this earth but does not control us and can't end our suffering. But most websites explain to me that Buddha did not believe in God. Period. But it wouldn't make any sense because how would this earth be made without someone making it. Its very confusing and I hope someone can help me with my question.

Hi Ihab,

From all accounts, the Buddha didn’t believe in God.

Depending on your take of the Agganna Sutta DN 27, the Buddha seemed to favour the Big Bang theory and the theory of Evolution.

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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2017, 11:11:33 am »
Did he say he did?
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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2017, 01:36:23 am »
Did he say he did?

As believe in God, a Christian God? 

No, how could he.

It’s also extremely unlikely he was ever exposed to Yahweh.

For a good explanation see ”What Buddha Didn't Say About God.”



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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2017, 09:59:51 am »
Namaste everyone.

I would like to ask, did Buddha believe in God?

For me, this is a question that is confusing. I am not lucky enough to be able to visit a temple, so I have to research Buddhism online. When I look up this question, I don't get clear answers. From my understanding, Buddha did not believe in God and apparently disapproved when priests talked about god. From what I read from this book, Buddha believed that God made this earth but does not control us and can't end our suffering. But most websites explain to me that Buddha did not believe in God. Period. But it wouldn't make any sense because how would this earth be made without someone making it. Its very confusing and I hope someone can help me with my question.

I think it really depends on what you mean by "God" or "god".

Buddhism doesn't recognize an all-powerful, all-knowing, creator god of any sort.

That said, Buddhist lore speaks of a Mahabrahma (a leading god) named Brahmā Sahampati, who came to the Buddha after his enlightenment and suplicated the newly awakened one to turn the Wheel of Dharma.

Lore also peaks of the Buddha teaching gods.

Buddhist teachings recognize a "god realm" which is inhabited by gods as you'd expect.  However, these gods are not the same as God in Abrahamic traditions.  They are long-lived, but not immortal beings, who reside in Samsara as do all other sentient beings.  They suffer, but are blissfully unaware.

Ultimately, the Buddha's teachings don't spend a great deal of effort on the subject of gods.  It's not strictly atheistic, or non-theist.  Rather, it's kind of "apatheist" wherein the teachings don't really care about God, one way or the other.
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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2017, 04:22:36 pm »
Hi, as far as I remember reading parts of the Pali Canon 10 years ago, Buddha said that no God is immortal ... that doesn't say that he did not believe in Gods. But since Buddha used to live in India, he might never got in touch with the old testament 2500 years ago.
Depending on the Buddhist school, some schools believe in kind of Gods or transcendend beeings, some don't.
Please correct me, if I wrote something wrong. Thank you.
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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2017, 07:11:43 pm »
Did he say he did?

As believe in God, a Christian God? 

No, how could he.

It’s also extremely unlikely he was ever exposed to Yahweh.

For a good explanation see ”What Buddha Didn't Say About God.”
Indeed. Kind of makes you think it was irrelevant to his dharma.
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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2017, 08:15:08 am »
From my (admittedly ignorant) viewpoint:

I guess it depends on what you call God.  if you go along with the Buddhist idea of 31 planes of existence of which we are on level 5, all higher plane inhabitants (Devas etc.) would appear, to be somewhat god-like.

There is no prime cause mono-"God" and countless universal cycles have come and will go.

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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2017, 08:22:25 am »
No, Buddha did not believe in God.
His teaching tells us that we are all born from our own ignorance (not knowing the truth), not because of god.
In short, God does not exist in buddhism.

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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2017, 08:40:03 am »
No, Buddha did not believe in God.
His teaching tells us that we are all born from our own ignorance (not knowing the truth), not because of god.
In short, God does not exist in buddhism.

That doesn't follow ....

Just because we are born of ignorance and not God, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist.  All you can say is that God isn't involved in our birth.

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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2017, 08:49:03 am »
No, Buddha did not believe in God.
His teaching tells us that we are all born from our own ignorance (not knowing the truth), not because of god.
In short, God does not exist in buddhism.

That doesn't follow ....

Just because we are born of ignorance and not God, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist.  All you can say is that God isn't involved in our birth.
In Buddha's teaching, he states clearly that god doesn't exist.

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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2017, 01:30:14 pm »
No, Buddha did not believe in God.
His teaching tells us that we are all born from our own ignorance (not knowing the truth), not because of god.
In short, God does not exist in buddhism.

That doesn't follow ....

Just because we are born of ignorance and not God, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist.  All you can say is that God isn't involved in our birth.
In Buddha's teaching, he states clearly that god doesn't exist.

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Be that as it may, your assertion was that there was no god because he wasn't involved in our birth.  I agree there is no "God" such as those we're conditioned for.  However, I think you're line of reasoning is a little skewed.  That's all.

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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2017, 06:42:36 pm »
Sharing what I've learned and understood. Speaking of how the world or the earth was created, I know that the idea of Conditioned Arising in Buddhism can explain it. Conditioned Arising says that everything is a result of causes and conditions gathering together, and because causes and conditions are changing, nothing is permanent. And the earth was created by the gathering of causes and conditions earthlings made in their previous lives before the earth came to existence. What earthlings did generated the force(karma) that created the earth. And I think the world is also created in this way. Therefore, I think we can say that it is actually WE all the beings made this world and the earth. However, "Who generated the cause in the very beginning that made all these things happen?" Buddha didn't answer this question; instead, he said that keeping exploring the answer does not help us practice; it is not the focus of practice and has nothing to do with it. What he taught us is that realizing what suffering we are facing, the causes of it, dealing with it, and at last let it go. That is practice.


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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2017, 08:02:24 am »
The surrounding environment is but the interior of our mind, to create a beautiful environment is to create a beautiful mind. Such is the refinement of creation.

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Re: Did Buddha believe in God?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2017, 01:45:31 am »
I would like to ask, did Buddha believe in God?

As the Visuddhi Magga puts it:

"No God, no Brahma can be found
No maker of this wheel of life
Just bare phenomena roll
Depend on conditions all."

To put it very crudely you can think of Buddhism as Hinduism minus Atman and Brahman.
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