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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2017, 01:56:44 am »
It is fascinating that you proliferate a belief that is unique, while at the same time heavily dependent on Buddhist teachings. Creating a you and other by deprecating the very philosophy you have structured your reality on.
No belief, no philosophy, no dependence, no reality.

Empty of everything and nothing.  :fu:

That's  really clever. 
Suchness, i.e. simplicity, doesn't know 'clever'.  :fu:

How would you know?  You haven't achieved it.

What is 'you'? What is 'achieve'?

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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2017, 02:00:32 am »
Isn't it fascinating how that which is utterly simple has an inherent urge to proliferate into complexity?

If one does not trace back complexity to its source how can there ever be what the theravadins call 'nibbida' and 'virago'?

Empty of everything and nothing.
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In simplicity thoughts and perceptions are useless. They are the manifestations of the inherent urge which does not know. Being useless they are negative repelling any contact (phassa). Repelling any contact they leave no trace.

Utter boundless equanimity.

Once tasted the urge to proliferate ceases since knowing has taken its place.  :fu:
Emptiness births fascination?
It is fascinating that you proliferate a belief that is unique, while at the same time heavily dependent on Buddhist teachings. Creating a you and other by deprecating the very philosophy you have structured your reality on.
No belief, no philosophy, no dependence, no reality.

Empty of everything and nothing.  :fu:

Emptiness births many phenomena ... phenomena like bliss, murder, car and tree. There is nothing that is not born from emptiness. Perceptions, thoughts ... these words. Spontaneously present in absence.  :fu:

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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2017, 02:59:20 am »
I agree, let's not forget belief, philosophy, dependence, and personality. Parrots too.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2017, 03:41:50 am by philboyd »
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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2017, 04:21:29 am »
All phenomena are useless fabrications. Emptiness is empty of self and other, empty of everything and nothing.

Simplicity is the nature of nibbida and viraga.  :fu:


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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2017, 09:14:06 pm »
Now, as far as nibbida is concerned, it may be stained by subtle kind of aversion. That is why it is sometimes translated as 'aversion, or 'weariness' regarding perceptions and thoughts.
But this aversion is simply the result of a failure of rational analysis, a lack of insight which results in not seeing the emptiness of perceptions and thoughts directly. Because if emptiness is seen directly emptiness, nibbida and viraga (dispassion) are actually inseparably one negative phenomenon where 'negative' implies the absence of what has ceased and the transformation of the ground of ordinary existence into the ground of being.

Thus the simplicity/suchness of the uselessness of perceptions and thoughts is accessed through temporary excursion into the complexity of applied perceptions and rational thoughts. What is important whowever is that any meditation has to be avoided. Meditation is a fetter.  :fu:

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May they all be free from suffering and the causes of suffering.
May they never be deprived of true happiness devoid of any suffering.
May they abide in great impartiality, free from attachment to loved ones and aversion to others.

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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2017, 02:16:02 am »
I've been wondering what name would apply best for liberation through simplicity.

It's certainly a kind of nihilism to dissolve the whole display of all the khandhas in emptiness.

Simplicity = suchness = notionlessness.

But since there is not the least notion there isn't even the slightest negation either.

Neither thingness nor nothingness.

No notion applies.




See how the proliferation into complexity works? :fu:
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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2017, 03:04:58 am »
I've been wondering what name would apply best for liberation through simplicity.

Seeing is there can be no true liberation, the kind of liberation that the Buddha taught, through "simplicity", to find a word for it, apart from b________t,  would be an excercise in futility.


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It's certainly a kind of nihilism to dissolve the whole display of all the khandhas in emptiness.

wibble.  wibble, wibble.  wibble.



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Simplicity = suchness = notionlessness.

Simplicity != Suchness.  notionlessness = making s__t up to impress newbs.


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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2017, 10:58:35 pm »
Now I tell you about dependent cessation,
listen, ignore or reject ...

When perceptions and thoughts are known as useless and misleading,
interest in perceptions and thoughts ceases.
When interest in perceptions and thoughts ceases,
contact ceases.
When contact ceases and the six consciousnesses are relaxed,
perceptions and thoughts cease.
When perceptions and thoughts cease,
the empirical world collapses.
When the empirical world collapses,
times ceases.
When time ceases,
there is no more becoming or change or transition or causality,
there is neither desire, nor form, nor formless,
nor self nor other,
nor somethingness, nor nothingness.
Mere notionlessness without limit or center,
the ground of being which is complete cessation,
lucid and empty.

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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2017, 01:53:51 am »
This complete cessation, the ground of being,
is the source of everything and nothing.
To speak of liberation is inadequate
because when this ground has revealed itself
nothing and nobody can be liberated.
All thoughts and perceptions that may arise in the aftermath
are without thinker or perceiver
but simply are the arising of that ground
in and as diversity.
Plain and simple.

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Re: re: Proliferation of simplicity / Cessation of complexity
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2017, 11:28:03 pm »
Having said that
what's the use of saying 'ground of being' or 'source'?
Since nothing has ever existed as ground of being or source
these are simply totally useless thoughts.
Plain and simple.

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