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Moment Life
« on: February 09, 2012, 11:50:21 am »
On my way home I was trying today to live from momet to mement because I can rely on them the most, they are what is so I wanted to see if I can remain with what is-frost, my thoughts, anger, boredom. I found it terribly boring and time passed so slowly. Now I know why I escape from practice - I avoid suffering and search out pleasure. Do you know anyone who is able to live from second to second, like on a meditation cushion we do, but 24h a day? That's my goal. Wish me luck, please :)

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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2012, 01:51:51 pm »
As long as you are thinking and emoting (experiencing feelings and emotions such as boredom) you are not in the moment.  Instead you are attempting to live in the past.  The reason is that your physical senses take time to process what you are sensing, and your mental faculties take time to conjure up thoughts, feelings and emotions.  Therefore, the only way to truly be in the moment is to pay no attention to any of those physically and mentally produced phenomena.  Once you have achieved that, you will be living in the moment, provided you don't "think" or "notice".   :teehee:
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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 02:39:12 pm »
Agreed. I was not living in the moment but I am able for the first time in my life to break the pattern, make a decision to look at facts, at every thought, at anything that happens, not planning, not past but what is, every click of the button of the keybord of the laptop. It is brave as it gives no profit, is totally unpleasant but a chance to see my karma. You stop choosing the positive or the negative, but what is... Do you think it is nice? Not at all but I want to understand myself, not running away from myself. Life is short....
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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 04:29:36 pm »
On my way home I was trying today to live from momet to mement because I can rely on them the most, they are what is so I wanted to see if I can remain with what is-frost, my thoughts, anger, boredom. I found it terribly boring and time passed so slowly. Now I know why I escape from practice - I avoid suffering and search out pleasure. Do you know anyone who is able to live from second to second, like on a meditation cushion we do, but 24h a day? That's my goal. Wish me luck, please :)

Finding someone who's truly "present" all the time is exceedingly rare.  Such a person is rightfully called Buddha.

Finding practice boring is PERFECT.  If you find yourself getting bored, you're on the right track.

One technique to take being in the present closer to everyday sorts of things is to try working with what's called "Walking Meditation".  Basically it's Shamtha practice while walking slowly and deliberately.  It's not easy.  Distractions abound, but if you really work at the practice you might be surprised at the eventual results
Always Follow the Person Behind You.
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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 02:44:01 am »
Very good advice! *smile* and much healthier for body and mind as bowing.

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Monks, there are these five benefits of walking up & down.[1] What five?

One is fit for long journeys; one is fit for striving; one has little disease; that which is eaten, drunk, chewed, tasted, goes through proper digestion; the composure attained by walking up & down is long-lasting.

These, monks, are the five benefits of walking up & down.


Its good to relay on what the Buddha had taught and let go of alternatives.
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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 03:02:00 am »
But Hanzze's Dharma doesn't matter? Buddha Siakyamuni is no more... He was great but before his death he said:" You must be a light to yourself".

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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 04:31:37 am »
On my way home I was trying today to live from momet to mement because I can rely on them the most, they are what is so I wanted to see if I can remain with what is-frost, my thoughts, anger, boredom. I found it terribly boring and time passed so slowly. Now I know why I escape from practice - I avoid suffering and search out pleasure.

Yes, I know what you mean.  Being mindful can be quite uncomfortable at times.  But sometimes it seems that by recognising difficult mental states we allow them to pass.

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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 06:29:38 am »
But Hanzze's Dharma doesn't matter? Buddha Siakyamuni is no more... He was great but before his death he said:" You must be a light to yourself".

That is not completed, but it is very natural that we read or hear just that if we are very self centered, thinking be wiser as the wise.

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The Blessed One's Deadly Sickness

27. At that time the Blessed One spoke to the bhikkhus, saying: "Go now, bhikkhus, and seek shelter anywhere in the neighborhood of Vesali where you are welcome, among acquaintances and friends, and there spend the rainy season. As for me, I shall spend the rainy season in this very place, in the village of Beluva."

"So be it, O Lord," the bhikkhus said.

28. But when the Blessed One had entered upon the rainy season, there arose in him a severe illness, and sharp and deadly pains came upon him. And the Blessed One endured them mindfully, clearly comprehending and unperturbed.

29. Then it occurred to the Blessed One: "It would not be fitting if I came to my final passing away without addressing those who attended on me, without taking leave of the community of bhikkhus. Then let me suppress this illness by strength of will, resolve to maintain the life process, and live on."

30. And the Blessed One suppressed the illness by strength of will, resolved to maintain the life process, and lived on. So it came about that the Blessed One's illness was allayed.

31. And the Blessed One recovered from that illness; and soon after his recovery he came out from his dwelling place and sat down in the shade of the building, on a seat prepared for him. Then the Venerable Ananda approached the Blessed One, respectfully greeted him, and sitting down at one side, he spoke to the Blessed One, saying: "Fortunate it is for me, O Lord, to see the Blessed One at ease again! Fortunate it is for me, O Lord, to see the Blessed One recovered! For truly, Lord, when I saw the Blessed One's sickness it was as though my own body became weak as a creeper, every thing around became dim to me, and my senses failed me. Yet, Lord, I still had some little comfort in the thought that the Blessed One would not come to his final passing away until he had given some last instructions respecting the community of bhikkhus."

32. Thus spoke the Venerable Ananda, but the Blessed One answered him, saying: "What more does the community of bhikkhus expect from me, Ananda? I have set forth the Dhamma without making any distinction of esoteric and exoteric doctrine; there is nothing, Ananda, with regard to the teachings that the Tathagata holds to the last with the closed fist of a teacher who keeps some things back. Whosoever may think that it is he who should lead the community of bhikkhus, or that the community depends upon him, it is such a one that would have to give last instructions respecting them. But, Ananda, the Tathagata has no such idea as that it is he who should lead the community of bhikkhus, or that the community depends upon him. So what instructions should he have to give respecting the community of bhikkhus?

"Now I am frail, Ananda, old, aged, far gone in years. This is my eightieth year, and my life is spent. Even as an old cart, Ananda, is held together with much difficulty, so the body of the Tathagata is kept going only with supports. It is, Ananda, only when the Tathagata, disregarding external objects, with the cessation of certain feelings, attains to and abides in the signless concentration of mind, [19] that his body is more comfortable.

33. "Therefore, Ananda, be islands unto yourselves, refuges unto yourselves, seeking no external refuge; with the Dhamma as your island, the Dhamma as your refuge, seeking no other refuge.

"And how, Ananda, is a bhikkhu an island unto himself, a refuge unto himself, seeking no external refuge; with the Dhamma as his island, the Dhamma as his refuge, seeking no other refuge?

34. "When he dwells contemplating the body in the body, earnestly, clearly comprehending, and mindfully, after having overcome desire and sorrow in regard to the world; when he dwells contemplating feelings in feelings, the mind in the mind, and mental objects in mental objects, earnestly, clearly comprehending, and mindfully, after having overcome desire and sorrow in regard to the world, then, truly, he is an island unto himself, a refuge unto himself, seeking no external refuge; having the Dhamma as his island, the Dhamma as his refuge, seeking no other refuge.

35. "Those bhikkhus of mine, Ananda, who now or after I am gone, abide as an island unto themselves, as a refuge unto themselves, seeking no other refuge; having the Dhamma as their island and refuge, seeking no other refuge: it is they who will become the highest, [20] if they have the desire to learn."


*smile* The whole Maha-parinibbana Sutta: Last Days of the Buddha is very worthy to read as there are so many ideas.

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« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 06:33:43 am by Hanzze »
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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2012, 03:56:13 pm »
Hanzze- you quote Buddha well.
What is your speech at this moment?

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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2012, 02:12:19 pm »
Do we have only this moment?

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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2012, 06:37:39 pm »
Do you know anyone who is able to live from second to second,
Not one single person or being can be found.

... I was trying ...That's my goal.
Stop trying and having goals.

Do we have only this moment?
Obsession is a hindrance.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2012, 06:44:07 pm by TMingyur. »

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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2012, 08:33:15 pm »
Do we have only this moment?
We would have it, if we let go but we are attached to what is not real. *smile* In daily live it's good to give up the future a little, but I would not give up the past to much. Mindfullnes has more aspects and does not mean to be just present. Mindfulness has much to do with recollecting, comparing, but always quickly jumping back to the point where decision have to be done, and that is the present.
Mostly we are very busy in making decisions in the past or in the present, we always mix all times and judge wrongly. So mindfulness also watched that it grows not confused all the time.  *smile*
So we can say, that other moments are very useful to get the present and where things actually happens better understood.  Letting go is the key and mindfulness its holder, but that does not mean that he is inactive, which would be nothing but an rejection of what need to be getting known off. *smile*
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Angry......................................................................smitten.............................................................red
Cynically(high-spirited)...........................................arrogating (claiming)....................................orange
apologetically...........................................................suppliantly.........................................................pink
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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2012, 02:14:54 pm »
At the moment I am sitting and typing to you.

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2012, 10:17:45 pm »
*smile* How does it come in this way?
« Last Edit: February 13, 2012, 10:19:27 pm by Hanzze »
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Angry......................................................................smitten.............................................................red
Cynically(high-spirited)...........................................arrogating (claiming)....................................orange
apologetically...........................................................suppliantly.........................................................pink
Shyly.........................................................................sad.................................................................green
Off - Topic..................................................................=....................................................................blue
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Re: Moment Life
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2012, 02:54:42 pm »
How not to escape from what is happening in me moment to moment?  When a problem arises I remain for 1 second but I cannot for a minute, I escape immediately.  I tried once to remain with my biggest evil in me, it was horrible, after that a bliss came for 1 hour. Why is it so difficult to remain with a problem which arises in me?

 


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