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Offline Buddhist22200

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Something I don't understand about reincarnation
« on: April 07, 2017, 06:38:30 pm »
If there is life in the universe, which may be likely given there is evidence of millions of planets orbiting stars throughout the universe, then can we reincarnate into a life form on another planet?  Can we reincarnate into a plant?  It seems egocentric to think that humans with good karma reincarnate into humans. That assumes humans are special. It seems like an egotistical concept.

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Re: Something I don't understand about reincarnation
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2017, 08:31:57 pm »
If there is life in the universe, which may be likely given there is evidence of millions of planets orbiting stars throughout the universe, then can we reincarnate into a life form on another planet?

sure. why not.  :curtain:

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Re: Something I don't understand about reincarnation
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2017, 01:29:13 pm »
According to my understanding and what I have heard from very serious meditation practitioners, Reincarnation is possible not only in to another planet but also in to worlds that is impossible to locate by our 6 senses. (eg: Heavens, Brahm worlds, Hell). It is said that extremely rare the probability of a non-Buddhist to reincarnate as a good being such as human or divine. That person also was a Karma believer. There was only one non-Buddhist person could be able to secure a good reincarnation during this very long  kappa. Now you know, how lucky you are.   :dharma:
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Re: Something I don't understand about reincarnation
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2017, 11:17:14 am »
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If there is life in the universe, which may be likely given there is evidence of millions of planets orbiting stars throughout the universe, then....


Life in the universe is a fact:  "Earth" is teaming with life and has been for billions of years.  Life on other planets is likely, but not yet proven to be a fact, although there is some secondary evidence that life may have existed on Mars based upon meteorities found in Antarctica .

source:  http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html


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...can we reincarnate into a life form on another planet?


Although nothing in The Suttas have ever shown that Buddha spoke of this I think it is only remotely possible, based upon my understanding of how reincarnation / rebirth works.  It is not thought to be a mind, or spirit, or soul that is reborn, but an effect.  The analogy used is a flame on a candle being passed on from one candle wick to the next.  The flame moves on, but the candle melts and extinguishes.  In this way we are thought to die, but no part of us ever moves on, except the effects that our intentional actions pass on through the karmic chain of events.

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Can we reincarnate into a plant?


 Buddhism does not teach this.  However, Jains consider plants to be of higher order of beings than Buddhists do.  You may want to investigate Jainism.

reference:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism

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It seems egocentric to think that humans with good karma reincarnate into humans. That assumes humans are special. It seems like an egotistical concept.


As another poster has already stated, the probability of being born a human is very low.  Buddha expressed this in his teaching regarding the blind sea turtle and the yoke floating in the ocean, which you can read about here:

source:  http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sacca/sacca1/samsara.html

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"Monks, suppose that this great earth were totally covered with water, and a man were to toss a yoke with a single hole there. A wind from the east would push it west, a wind from the west would push it east. A wind from the north would push it south, a wind from the south would push it north. And suppose a blind sea-turtle were there. It would come to the surface once every one hundred years. Now what do you think: would that blind sea-turtle, coming to the surface once every one hundred years, stick his neck into the yoke with a single hole?"

"It would be a sheer coincidence, lord, that the blind sea-turtle, coming to the surface once every one hundred years, would stick his neck into the yoke with a single hole."

"It's likewise a sheer coincidence that one obtains the human state. It's likewise a sheer coincidence that a Tathagata, worthy & rightly self-awakened, arises in the world. It's likewise a sheer coincidence that a doctrine & discipline expounded by a Tathagata appears in the world. Now, this human state has been obtained. A Tathagata, worthy & rightly self-awakened, has arisen in the world. A doctrine & discipline expounded by a Tathagata appears in the world.

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Re: Something I don't understand about reincarnation
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2017, 12:00:52 am »
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If there is life in the universe, which may be likely given there is evidence of millions of planets orbiting stars throughout the universe, then can we reincarnate into a life form on another planet?  Can we reincarnate into a plant? 


The Buddha didn't talk about "reincarnation" (which is a Tibetan Buddhist concept) he spoke of "rebirth", which can also refer to changes which happen in our present lives.

Its important to know that he didn't suggest that we speculate about such things, but said in sutta MN 131 :


"You shouldn't chase after the past
or place expectations on the future.
What is past is left behind.
The future is as yet unreached.
Whatever quality is present
you clearly see right there, right there."


and in sutta MN 2:


"This is how he attends inappropriately: 'Was I in the past? Was I not in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? Having been what, what was I in the past? Shall I be in the future? Shall I not be in the future? What shall I be in the future? How shall I be in the future? Having been what, what shall I be in the future?'
 Or else he is inwardly perplexed about the immediate present: 'Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? Where has this being come from? Where is it bound?'"



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Re: Something I don't understand about reincarnation
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2017, 02:44:08 am »
The Buddha was an enlightened being and knew how to view our relationship with the past present and future. His advice to concentrate on the present seems pretty good to me. The only reason for any other view, as far as I can see, is to encourage people to practice more. If the thought of being reborn as a slug encourages you to continue on the path, then it has worked for you.
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