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Soybean Oil Declared Heart-Healthy by the FDA
« on: September 11, 2017, 07:21:41 pm »
The FDA recently declared soybean oil as heart healthy, with the approval of the American Heart Association:

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The American Heart Assn. recently went on record regarding the cardiovascular benefits of the fats found in soybean oil.

“We conclude strongly that lowering intake of saturated fat and replacing it with unsaturated fats, especially polyunsaturated fats like those found in soybean oil, will lower the incidence of cardiovascular disease,” said Penny M. Kris-Etherton, co-author of “Dietary Fats & Cardiovascular Disease, A Presidential Advisory from the American Heart Association,” published in June 2017.
http://www.feedstuffs.com/news/fda-authorizes-qualified-health-claim-soybean-oil


After watching What the Health, I'm wondering if there's any sort of financial interest that would cause the American Heart Association to recommend the consumption of soybean oil.

So far, I've found this article suggesting a financial link between the AHA and the soybean industry:
https://www.cropscience.bayer.us/news/press-releases/2017/03022017-bayer-and-libertylink-soybeans-help-protect-hearts-in-americas-heartland

While the AHA has received donations from the soybean industry, Harvard Public Health also endorses soybean oil:

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In the case of dietary fat, most scientists do agree on a number of points. First, eating foods rich in polyunsaturated fat will reduce the risk of heart disease and prevent insulin resistance. Second, replacing saturated fat with refined carbohydrates will not reduce heart disease risk. Third, olive oil, canola oil, and soybean oil are good for you—as are nuts (especially walnuts), which, while they include some saturated fat, are also high in unsaturated fat, tipping the balance in their favor. Finally, omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids are essential for many biological processes—from building healthy cells to maintaining brain and nerve function—and we should eat a variety of healthy foods, such as fish, nuts, seeds, and vegetable oils, to obtain adequate amounts of both fatty acids.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/is-butter-really-back/


At the same time, I've learned recently that certain vitamins need fat in order to be absorbed by the body, and that fat-free salad dressings replace vegetable oils with corn syrup:

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The majority of food products which claim “reduced fat” or “fat free” compensate by adding sugar. This lowers the total calories of the product (since sugar has less calories per gram than fat does) while still giving you the taste you yearn for (sweet). That’s all well and good from a marketing perspective but your pancreas and liver aren’t too fond of that choice. That’s because your consumption of sugar (instead of fat) increases the production of insulin - a fat storing hormone, making you more likely to gain weight, not lose. Sugar also may increases your risk for a whole host of chronic conditions, including breast cancer, according to a 2016 study.

On the flip side, fat fills you up, helps you feel satisfied, and assists with the absorption of fat soluble vitamins (A,E, D & K), which are prevalent in colorful salads. In fact, both protein and fat help control and regulate insulin levels by decreasing the risk of the rise and fall of glucose levels in your bloodstream.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/why-youre-doing-salad-wrong-and-six-ways-to-make-it-right_b_9573760.html

Previously, I was only purchasing fat-free salad dressing, until I learned that certain vitamins are fat-soluble. Now I take a bottle of full-fat or reduced fat salad dressing, and dilute it with vinegar to cut the calories.
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Re: Soybean Oil Declared Heart-Healthy by the FDA
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2017, 10:57:44 pm »
The saturated fat myth has now been debunked. Full cream milk, full cream Yogurt, pure butter, coconut oil, and the occasional piece of grass-fed beef, are all healthy, as long as they are taken in moderation, in accordance with Buddhist principles.

The body needs saturated fats. It struggles to get everything it needs (fat wise) from vegetable oils. Whilst vegetables oils, if virgin and cold-pressed, are also healthy, and fine on salads, they do not suffer heat well, and should not be used for cooking because excessive heat breaks down the oils and produces free radicals and other harmful products.

The big bady is the type of sugar known as fructose which is mainly produced from corn syrup, and is sweeter and cheaper than cane sugar, or sucrose.

Fructose tends to interfere with the hormonal and neural messages from the brain which inform the body that one is full (or satiated) after eating a certain amount of food. As a consequence, people will tend to continue eating for the sake of the delicious taste of the food, even when in reality they are satiated, hence the great prevalence of obesity in modern societies.

Most processed foods contain added sugar, but the labels do not distinguish between sucrose and fructose. Also fruit juice is a popular drink, and the sugar in fruit is mainly fructose. Sugar cane also contains some fructose, but not as much as fruit and corn syrup.

Whole fruit is healthy because one eats a limited quantity, and a lot of the fruit contains healthy fiber. However, if one is imbibing added quantities of fructose in everything one eats, and then drinking pure fruit juice because one imagines it's healthy, one probably ends up consuming in one day the amount of fructose contained in about 5 or 10 Kgs of fruit.

That's far too much.  :wink1:

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Re: Soybean Oil Declared Heart-Healthy by the FDA
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2017, 02:51:02 am »
The saturated fat myth has now been debunked.

According to the broadest scientific consensus, excess saturated fat and cholesterol intake increases the risk of heart disease.

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Re: Soybean Oil Declared Heart-Healthy by the FDA
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2017, 07:32:48 am »
The saturated fat myth has now been debunked.

According to the broadest scientific consensus, excess saturated fat and cholesterol intake increases the risk of heart disease.

An excess of anything can be bad. That's a part of the definition of 'excess'. Did you know that there are examples of people dying as a result of drinking too much water? This can happen at the end of a marathon run. A person might feel so thirsty that he/she drinks several litres of water during a short period of time at the end of the run. Sometimes the body can't handle such a large intake of water, and the person dies.

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2017, 07:11:53 pm »
The saturated fat myth has now been debunked.

According to the broadest scientific consensus, excess saturated fat and cholesterol intake increases the risk of heart disease.

An excess of anything can be bad. That's a part of the definition of 'excess'. Did you know that there are examples of people dying as a result of drinking too much water? This can happen at the end of a marathon run. A person might feel so thirsty that he/she drinks several litres of water during a short period of time at the end of the run. Sometimes the body can't handle such a large intake of water, and the person dies.

I think you might be trivializing the matter. Heart disease is the number one cause of death in America, and diet is its number one cause.

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Re: Soybean Oil Declared Heart-Healthy by the FDA
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 02:36:31 am »
The saturated fat myth has now been debunked.

According to the broadest scientific consensus, excess saturated fat and cholesterol intake increases the risk of heart disease.

An excess of anything can be bad. That's a part of the definition of 'excess'. Did you know that there are examples of people dying as a result of drinking too much water? This can happen at the end of a marathon run. A person might feel so thirsty that he/she drinks several litres of water during a short period of time at the end of the run. Sometimes the body can't handle such a large intake of water, and the person dies.

I think you might be trivializing the matter. Heart disease is the number one cause of death in America, and diet is its number one cause.

Diet and exercise are two significant factors that affect health. There's no doubt that a diet which consists of a high proportion of fresh fruit and vegetables is healthy and possibly ideal, but a certain amount of saturated fats might also be essential for good health.

It's seems very odd to me that despite the proliferation of low-fat milk, low-fat yogurt, substitute butter made from vegetable oils, and the general vilification of saturated fats during the past half century, deaths from heart disease have continued to rise.

Doesn't that ring warning bells about the role of unsaturated and polyunsaturated fats? The following article summarizes some of the research.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4006120/

"Eighteen observational studies were reviewed, the results of which indicate that total dairy intake does not contribute to cardiovascular disease incidence or death. Based on available data, it appears that milk, cheese, and yogurt are inversely associated with cardiovascular disease risk.

Data pertaining to dairy fat were inconclusive, but point to a potential protective effect of full-fat milk, cheese, and yogurt on risk of cardiovascular disease."

I personally try to eat wholesome foods, whatever the choice of food that's available. I consider full-cream milk to be more wholesome than skimmed milk. I avoid as much as possible all processed food, although I occasionally have a meal in a restaurant, just to be sociable.  :wink1:

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Re: Soybean Oil Declared Heart-Healthy by the FDA
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2017, 10:29:53 pm »
It's seems very odd to me that despite the proliferation of low-fat milk, low-fat yogurt, substitute butter made from vegetable oils, and the general vilification of saturated fats during the past half century, deaths from heart disease have continued to rise.


Have there been any studies which show a reversal of heart disease on a diet high in saturated fat and cholesterol?

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Studies show that heavy consumption of meat, eggs and dairy products significantly increases the risk of cardiovascular problems. On the flip side, consuming plant-based foods such as beans, nuts, whole grains, fruits and vegetables is associated with a sharply reduced risk. A study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that compared with meat-eaters, vegetarians have a 32 percent lower risk of heart disease.

When it comes to heart disease, food isn't just a preventative medicine. It can even be a cure. Back in 1998, Dr. Dean Ornish, whose signature diet is consistently ranked the top for heart health today, shocked the medical community when he found that patients put on a plant-based diet reversed their heart disease. That is, they essentially cured themselves by changing what they ate and adjusting their lifestyle. His and other studies show this treatment comes with only positive side effects, too: significant, lasting weight loss, lower cholesterol levels and blood pressure, lower risk of diabetes and, for men, even freedom from the little blue pill.
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/2015/09/02/absence-of-meat-makes-the-heart-grow-stronger

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Re: Soybean Oil Declared Heart-Healthy by the FDA
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 04:49:03 am »
Have there been any studies which show a reversal of heart disease on a diet high in saturated fat and cholesterol?

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Studies show that heavy consumption of meat, eggs and dairy products significantly increases the risk of cardiovascular problems. On the flip side, consuming plant-based foods such as beans, nuts, whole grains, fruits and vegetables is associated with a sharply reduced risk. A study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that compared with meat-eaters, vegetarians have a 32 percent lower risk of heart disease.

I'm not recommending a diet which is high is saturated fat and cholestrol
The following article has some sound advice in my view, in accordance with Buddhists principles of 'moderation'.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2015/05/your-diet-and-heart-disease-rethinking-butter-beef-and-bacon/

"You can eat meat, eggs, butter, nuts, dairy and some oils in moderation. Add a little salt, if you like. Enjoy a Mediterranean diet.

Remember this: It’s not the fat in your food that’s going to give you a heart attack. It’s the fat on your body. Lose weight. Being overweight or obese raises your risk of heart attack, stroke, diabetes, cancers, and joint disease. Talk to your doctor about the best and safest way to do this."

However, if you already have a heart problem, or some other medical condition, then a cure through diet alone might involve some extreme measures temporarily, such as a complete vegan diet for a couple of years, plus a few vitamin supplements, such as Vitamin B12 in particular, and/or perhaps a fasting regime of a couple of days a week.

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Re: Soybean Oil Declared Heart-Healthy by the FDA
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2017, 11:45:51 am »
People who look thin on the outside can still have clogged arteries due to their diet. The Buddha taught that it's misconduct to kill animals for meat. Maybe the Buddha knew the negative impact of meat consumption on human health.

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 04:24:45 pm »
People who look thin on the outside can still have clogged arteries due to their diet.

Absolutely true. Some people can eat too much 'junk' food, loaded with sugar, transfats and vegetable oils, and/or eat too much saturated fat and meat, and perhaps not take much exercise, and yet still look a normal weight. Our genes play a part in everything, without exception.

Putting on weight through eating too much is a normal, healthy process which in the past, when food was not always available due to droughts, would have ensured survival. Those who were not able to put on weight during times of plenty, would have been at a survival disadvantage during a famine.

The problem in our modern societies, where food is always readily available in almost every street at any time, is that the bodies of many people continue to behave in this instinctive manner as though there will be a food shortage at some time in the future.

Of course, the reality is, in developed societies, there's never any food shortage, so those who are victims of their own desires for food, tend to become obese.

The food processing industry also encourages such overeating, because it's good for business. Some processed food industries employ scientists in laboratories to experiment with different mixtures of added ingredients in order to create the most alluring and irresistible taste.

The most natural and cost effective way of losing weight is to do what nature intended. A person's excess fat is there for a reason, to help one through a famine. The solution to weight loss is simple. Take up fasting.  :wink1:

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The Buddha taught that it's misconduct to kill animals for meat. Maybe the Buddha knew the negative impact of meat consumption on human health.


The Buddha taught that it's misconduct for monks to kill animals, for any reason. It's why monks are not allowed to till the fields and grow their own food, in case they accidentally kill worms and insects in the soil.

However, I think the Buddha was wise enough to understand that humans are by nature, omnivores. We have longer intestines than carnivores, but not nearly as long an intestine as a herbivore has. Some herbivores even have multiple stomachs.

The following research paper sheds some light on the importance of meat-eating for our evolutionary progress over millions of years.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5417583/
From the abstract:

"Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is vitamin B3 / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian origin of animal predators ratcheting ever larger brains. This culminated in the 3-million-year evolution of Homo sapiens and our overall demographic success. We view human evolution, recent history, and agricultural and demographic transitions in the light of meat and nicotinamide intake."

It's also interesting to consider the following story about the Buddha:

"Towards the end of the Buddha's life, his cousin Devadatta attempted to usurp the leadership of the Order of monks. In order to win support from other monks, Devadatta tried to be more strict than the Buddha and show Him up as indulgent. Devadatta proposed to the Buddha that all the monks should henceforth be vegetarians. The Buddha refused and repeated once again the regulation that he had established years before, that monks and nuns may eat fish or meat as long as it is not from an animal whose meat is specifically forbidden, and as long as they had no reason to believe that the animal was slaughtered specifically for them."

Now ask yourself, why would the Buddha be so adamant in his position that eating meat was acceptable as long as one had no reason to believe the animal was slaughtered specifically for oneself? Why the compromise?

One could argue that the principle behind this concept is that the monk should accept whatever food is offered, without exercising choice or discrimination, because food in general, of whatever type, is necessary for survival.

However, this basic concept also represents the survival advantage of the omnivore, to be able to eat whatever food is available, whether vegetable or meat. Any species that is restricted to either a vegetable diet or a meat diet, such as a herbivore or a carnivore, is at a survival disadvantage.

The Inuits or Eskimos were able to survive on a predominantly meat diet because of our evolutionary characteristic of being omnivores. The Inuits also eat plants occasionally, such as berries and seaweed, when available, but without meat they would not have been able to survive.

Hope I've succeeded in clarifying this issue for you.  :wink1:


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Re: Soybean Oil Declared Heart-Healthy by the FDA
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2017, 02:01:56 pm »
My grandmother ate anything & everything she liked; but all foods were prepared at home. Fast food did not exist.  She drank a dozen cups of coffee a day, ate about 1/4 ( or more ) pounds of butter a day, smoked 2 packs of cigarettes, added sugar to her beer, and never wore shoes; except when she went to  bingo. She raised 11 children, and lived to be 90. Back then, when I was still a kid, fresh foods were the norm in kitchens. Processed foods were not around, to speak of. That being said, I still won't rely on genetics for a long life. Not good to tempt fate, or court disaster. I had the sludge/plaque removed from my right carotid artery a year & a half ago; and I now have less energy than I had before the surgery. Strange, the carotid artery thing; right side was 95% blocked, left side was clear. I asked my GP what the medical term was for right carotid blocked & left carotid clear. This was his reply: The medical term for "right side blocked" is, BAD LUCK. The medical term for "left side clear" is, GOOD LUCK. So now I know.
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Re: Soybean Oil Declared Heart-Healthy by the FDA
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2017, 02:11:18 pm »
My grandmother ate anything & everything she liked; but all foods were prepared at home. Fast food did not exist.  She drank a dozen cups of coffee a day, ate about 1/4 ( or more ) pounds of butter a day, smoked 2 packs of cigarettes, added sugar to her beer, and never wore shoes; except when she went to  bingo. She raised 11 children, and lived to be 90. Back then, when I was still a kid, fresh foods were the norm in kitchens. Processed foods were not around, to speak of. That being said, I still won't rely on genetics for a long life. Not good to tempt fate, or court disaster. I had my sludge removed from my right carotid artery a year & a half ago; and I now have less energy than I had before the surgery. Strange, the carotid artery thing; right side was 95% blocked, left side was clear. I asked my GP what the medical term was for right carotid blocked & left carotid clear. This was his reply: The medical term for "right side blocked" is, BAD LUCK. The medical term for "left side clear" is, GOOD LUCK. So now I know.
I must mention this also. Always good to inject some humor. My vascular surgery cost $80,000. I figure for another $20,000, I could have bought a whole new head.

 


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