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The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« on: February 16, 2012, 07:02:07 pm »
The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation


Ordination as one answer to managing overpopulation? What thinkest thou?

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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 07:41:20 pm »
Just read the texts... *smile* Yes! Stopping selfish Bodhisatvahood and change to real compassion. The boat is full with a mass of freaks who have endless thoughts why not letting go. "For you, only for you I take the burden of a dirty life." *smile* I guess I need to penetrate that a little...   :teehee:
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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 07:50:44 pm »
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If the lay life were the most suitable for practice, the Buddha would not have had us become monks. Our bodies and minds are a gang of thieves and murderers, constantly pulling us toward the fires of greed, hatred, and delusion. In lay life, it is so much more difficult, with constant sense contact, as if someone were calling in welcoming tones from a house, "Oh, come here, please come here." and as you approached, they were to open the door and shoot you. You can do ascetic practices, such as using worn out unattractive things or doing the corpse meditation, looking at everyone you see, including yourself as a corpse or a skeleton. Yet these practices are not easy. As soon as you see a pretty young girl, you stop seeing corpses.
Body meditation is an example of opposition. We normally consider the body good and beautiful; the Path is to contemplate its impermanent and unpleasant aspects. When we are young and strong, not yet afflicted with serious illness, it is easy to think wrongly and act unskilfully. Death seems far away, one fears no one and nothing. If one does not meditate, a taste of illness and a realization of aging may be necessary to change one's outlook. Why wait for this? Just be as one who has died. Your desires have not yet died, it is true, but behave as if they had.
Sometimes it is necessary to go to extremes, such as living near dangerous beasts. If you know there are tigers and wild elephants about and fear for your life, you will not have time to think about sex. Or you can reduce your food or fast to temporarily reduce energy.
Some monks live in cemeteries and make death and decay their constant object of meditation. As a young monk, I liked to live with old men, asking them what it was like to get old, seeing them and realizing we all must go the same way. Constantly keeping death and decay in mind, dispassion and disappointment in the world of senses arise, leading to rapture and concentration. One sees things as they are and is free of them. Later, when meditation is firmly established, there are no difficulties. We are only driven by lust because meditation is not yet unshakable.
When we come to live in the forest as monks, we are no longer letting the defilements be content in their own way, so we find they kick at us quite hard. Patience and endurance are the only remedy. In fact, at times in our practice there is nothing else, only endurance. Yet of course it will all change.
People outside may call us mad to live in the forest like this, sitting like statues. But how do they live? They laugh, they cry, they are so caught up that, at times, they kill themselves or one another out of greed and hatred. Who are the mad ones?
Remember to keep in mind why we ordain. Anyone who comes to a practice like ours and does not taste enlightenment has wasted his time. Lay people with families, possessions, and responsibilities have attained it. One who is ordained should certainly be able to do the same.

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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2012, 02:49:47 pm »
Ordination is not celibacy.

The Vinaya model is not followed by all Buddhists.

For example, some follow the Bodhisattva Ordination.

In Tibet, the Ngagpa ordination permits sex and marriage.

We should also not forget that some monks who are 'celibate' fail to live up to that aspiration, and one wonders if it has any value unless there is a proven case that celibate people gain enlightenment faster than those who have sex.  The evidence would need to be taken from all their rebirths over countless aeons, as karma vipaka affects all future lives and thus celibate enlightenment cannot be directly related to one particular lifetime.

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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2012, 04:19:47 pm »
The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation

Ordination as one answer to managing overpopulation? What thinkest thou?


Sounds good to me  :blush:
A man sees the rope in the twilight he mistakenly apprehends a snake and develops fear. To remove this fear he must remove the mind apprehending a snake by realizing that there is no snake. Even then, if the rope is left in the same place there is a danger that the same mistake will be made in the future. The only way to remove this danger is to remove the rope. Similarly, sentient beings observing their aggregates in the darkness of their ignorance mistakenly apprehend an inherently existent I. This mind grasping at an inherently existent I is the root of samsara and the source of all fear. To remove the fears of samsara we must remove this mind by realizing that there is no inherently existent I.

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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2012, 05:31:34 pm »
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Ordination is not celibacy.
Monastic ordination as per the Vinaya is... (Pali-Theravada, Dharmaguptaka and Mulasarvastivada Vinayas)
But otherwise, I agree, other types are not.. re: certain Japanese and Tibetan models based on Bodhisattva/Tantric Vows where celibacy is an optional added practice 'value'...

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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 08:19:43 pm »
Yes, some think that wrongdoing in the name of doing good is a way to come out. *smile* There are less who would just say that they are not able to abstain from it yet.

As if the problems would get lesser with recycling. *smile*

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"When we see Hindus worshiping Siva lingas it looks strange to us, but actually everyone in the world worships the Siva linga — i.e., they worship sex, simply that the Hindus are the only ones who are open about it. Sex is the creator of the world. The reason we're all born is because we worship the Siva linga in our hearts."

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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 08:34:12 am »
Any volunteers?  ;D

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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2012, 12:05:30 am »
I feel that HHDL skipped the solution and went directly to the result. One can't force people into monastic life. I think the solution is to be more mindful. Imagine that everyone in the world had the chance to learn what mindfulness is and how to practice it. That would certainly, in the end, "create" more nuns and monks. And I imagine that it would bring down population among the laypeople as well.

If everyone had proper knowledge and mindfulness when deciding about having a baby or not, the population would be a lot more balanced. Now some have one baby after another, like the normal cycle of nature, others put their career first and go through life childless and others are obsessed with having only baby boys.

But then again, who am I to talk? I brought three kids into this world already and have contributed to the overpopulation.  :whistle:
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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2012, 03:11:14 pm »
I might not belong to the Mahayana but I think the Dalai Llamas a great guy. He's obviously concerned about our overcrowded planet, like a lot of us.
Problem is most couples want kids, the way they want a car, a house etc. It's just part of the conditioned way..
And of course some societies see kids as their pension, for their future support.
As my old man used to say, "we need a good war"..
Sadly it's probably the only effective way to get the population down!

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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2012, 03:10:30 pm »
One kilo of meat ... the trillions! of tortured, defenseless and consciously highly evolved animals, that are now available cut up in pieces as unhealthy-food-sources in super markets, are talked about as $/euros per -1 kilo- of their flesh, yet this ! kg of meat is equivalent to 16 kg of grains. To produce 1 kilo of meat needs a big big big meadow. It is a fact that our planet can support many more billions of people and animals than are existent now. The tobacco, alcohol, meat industry, as well as the dumb mono agricultural ways cause world wide famine. That's all for today.  :namaste:

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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 01:11:46 am »
Well, nice thought. Have you ever thought of how much kilos (taking kilos as measurement and not lifes...!) of animals one need to kill and to keep from taking birth to gain 16 kg of gain. I guess the thought that even a plant is a being is maybe to far, so no need to think about it.

"Actually we do not practice Buddha Dharma to be able to escape or to help others to escape from suffering but to build up a bubble where we can go on as usually..."

Maybe its good to make some equation between satisfaction of pleasant desire and we might find out that the most harmless way would be smoking if one seeks for an alternative.

If Buddha didn't saw that the escape from the mass of suffering is the only way to peace, he would haven't taught the Dhamma but alternative food management. Actually he gave a little, but its propose is still just to find the way to escape. *smile* And this management was beside the intention of taking life of any kind.

The eightfold path would nobody give an possibility to fail, but who would like to walk such a way... now we are wiser and our back is so far from our moth. We would maybe get not in contact with what hurt.
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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 12:56:02 pm »
Hey Hanzze, due to my not english mother tongue, as well as your not english mother tongue, I can't understand what you are trying to communicate to me. Therefore I guess that you don't understand what I 'said', and I do not understand what you 'said'. Well, I don't really worry about this, and I hope you don't. As regards my latest ponderings its highly probably that I am just dreaming, better still, I am wrong. :namaste:   

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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2012, 07:21:30 pm »
"To put the head in the sand is just a temporary release." That was the message of mine and I guess it is proper as the post regarding your first post as well as the for you additional post.

Agreement on a level of ignoring would not solve the problem, its just a runaway. *smile*
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Re: The Dalai Lama's Solution to Overpopulation
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2012, 03:49:33 pm »
Thanks Hanzze. I will contemplate your thoughts.  :namaste:

 


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