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Schools of Buddhism => Vajrayana => Dzogchen => Topic started by: Karma Dondrup Tashi on November 17, 2010, 12:10:11 pm

Title: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: Karma Dondrup Tashi on November 17, 2010, 12:10:11 pm
When I look in a mirror there are not two things, but three. There is me, there is the reflection in the mirror that is me, and the reflection in the mirror that is not me. The two reflections are the same thing, a reflective thing, whereas I am an absolute thing. But within the reflective there are also two things, a relative truth, which says that it is not me, and an ultimate truth, which says it is me. The tension within the reflection is between these two truths.
Title: Re: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: heart on December 23, 2010, 02:19:25 am
When I look in a mirror there are not two things, but three. There is me, there is the reflection in the mirror that is me, and the reflection in the mirror that is not me. The two reflections are the same thing, a reflective thing, whereas I am an absolute thing. But within the reflective there are also two things, a relative truth, which says that it is not me, and an ultimate truth, which says it is me. The tension within the reflection is between these two truths.

Not at all. There have never ever been a relative truth that say there is a "me". There is a "relative me" when blinded by ignorance, that's all.

/magnus
Title: Re: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: Karma Dondrup Tashi on December 23, 2010, 12:14:19 pm
There is a "relative me" ...

Yes/no/both/neither.
Title: Re: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: heart on December 23, 2010, 12:50:36 pm
There is a "relative me" ...

Yes/no/both/neither.

In ignorance there is.

/magnus
Title: Re: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: J. McKenna on December 23, 2010, 06:35:18 pm
Mirror does not exist ........    :lmfao:
Title: Re: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: khedrub on September 17, 2011, 06:53:37 pm
Mirror does not exist ........    :lmfao:

Neither does the person.
Title: Re: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: catmoon on September 18, 2011, 05:57:15 am
However, the cheezeburger is real and I can haz it.
Title: Re: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: Barah on November 02, 2012, 01:25:52 am
When I look in a mirror there are not two things, but three. There is me, there is the reflection in the mirror that is me, and the reflection in the mirror that is not me. The two reflections are the same thing, a reflective thing, whereas I am an absolute thing. But within the reflective there are also two things, a relative truth, which says that it is not me, and an ultimate truth, which says it is me. The tension within the reflection is between these two truths.
No answer yet, but lets try to go through it.
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There is me, there is the reflection in the mirror that is me, and the reflection in the mirror that is not me.

Sh*t, still no answer... lets try harder.
It seems that you reached the limits here, I have nothing to add.
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The two reflections are the same thing, a reflective thing, whereas I am an absolute thing. But within the reflective there are also two things, a relative truth, which says that it is not me, and an ultimate truth, which says it is me
Ha! Now I see. How a marvelous device you have here. But you are a little bit to hasty, as both are still relative. "Not me" and "is me" are the effect of differentiation. If that would be an ultimate truth, you would react in the same way to a chair, "not me" and "is me".
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The tension within the reflection is between these two truths
What is more important is the tension that appears on deeper level. What is the common point of both reflections... and a chair? If you say "I don't know", what is there? That which remains, this is the common point, the ultimate truth. It is the same in you, and in the reflection, and have always been. It is the same in everything, cannot be contrived or destroyed. It it would be gone, all would be gone. It builds up everything, even "This is not me".
Title: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: BlueSky on November 02, 2012, 07:41:58 pm
When we look into the mirror, we see a reflection.

We know that reflection is empty inside although it doesn't look to be empty.

We see ourselves. We think we have an essence or not empty.

Actually, you and your reflection are exactly same. If your understanding about you is exactly same with how you understand your reflection, you are Buddha.
Title: Re: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: Lobster on November 03, 2012, 10:16:45 pm
Stop looking in mirrors, nothing worth seeing.
(speaking for myself of course)  :lmfao:
Title: Re: Reflection in a mirror
Post by: J. McKenna on November 04, 2012, 04:09:54 pm
all is but    spoon
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