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Title: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: TenzinTamdrin on February 15, 2013, 05:49:24 am
Hi guys,

I have been asked this question and I wonder if anybody can help me out...

Does anybody know what are the defining features of the Gelug tradition that differentiates the Gelug tradition than that of the other Tibetan traditions besides the hat and the scholarly reputation of Gelug monks?
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Caz on February 15, 2013, 07:14:55 am
Hi guys,

I have been asked this question and I wonder if anybody can help me out...

Does anybody know what are the defining features of the Gelug tradition that differentiates the Gelug tradition than that of the other Tibetan traditions besides the hat and the scholarly reputation of Gelug monks?

1.They are renowned as holders of pure morale discipline
2. Je Tsongkhapa taught pure Dharma which is the Union of Sutra and Tantra where as other traditions tend to neglect the Sutra side of things.
 :pray:

Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 28, 2016, 05:32:50 pm
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What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?

There are countless differences, but the root difference is the meaning of ultimate reality: anything's mere lack of an imagined intrinsic existence. Every single other difference stems from this one.
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Spiny Norman on July 29, 2016, 04:48:09 am
There are countless differences, but the root difference is the meaning of ultimate reality: anything's mere lack of an imagined intrinsic existence. Every single other difference stems from this one.

Could you elaborate.  Is it a "mind-only" school?
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 29, 2016, 09:47:51 am
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Could you elaborate.  Is it a "mind-only" school?

Why should it be? Maybe you think that the “imagined” bit is a Mind Only exclusivity?
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Spiny Norman on July 29, 2016, 11:54:22 am
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Could you elaborate.  Is it a "mind-only" school?

Why should it be? Maybe you think that the “imagined” bit is a Mind Only exclusivity?

I don't know, that's why I asked you to elaborate your comment, explain it a little more fully.  What is the "meaning of ultimate reality" that you referred to, and why is it a root difference?
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 29, 2016, 04:02:54 pm
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I don't know, that's why I asked you to elaborate your comment, explain it a little more fully. What is the "meaning of ultimate reality" that you referred to,

The “meaning of ultimate reality”, which sets Gelug apart from other Tibetan schools, is anything's mere lack of an imagined intrinsic existence.

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and why is it a root difference?

Because every other difference stems from this one.
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Spiny Norman on July 29, 2016, 10:56:05 pm
The “meaning of ultimate reality”, which sets Gelug apart from other Tibetan schools, is anything's mere lack of an imagined intrinsic existence.

Just repeating the same jargony phrase isn't explaining anything.

 It sounds like you are describing sunyata, lack of inherent existence.  Is that right, and if not, could you explain the difference between sunyata and your "mere lack of an imagined intrinsic existence" thingy?
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 30, 2016, 07:03:07 am
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Just repeating the same jargony phrase isn't explaining anything.

My answer was repetitive indeed, because you asked what had already been answered, which suggests that you write faster than you think.

While my statement was meaningful and clearly worded, your request for an explanation shows that you could not understand it, which is fine. However, trying to dismiss what you avowedly cannot understand as mere “jargony” shows your intellectual dishonesty, and your worthlessness as a partner in a discussion.

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It sounds like you are describing sunyata, lack of inherent existence.  Is that right, and if not, could you explain the difference between sunyata and your "mere lack of an imagined intrinsic existence" thingy?

You can read, I assume, and therefore you can answer yourself how my statement about the “meaning of ultimate reality” relates to your jargonizing about “sunyata”. Please keep us informed about your conclusions.
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Spiny Norman on July 30, 2016, 09:01:24 am
While my statement was meaningful and clearly worded, your request for an explanation shows that you could not understand it, which is fine. However, trying to dismiss what you avowedly cannot understand as mere “jargony” shows your intellectual dishonesty, and your worthlessness as a partner in a discussion.

Well, it's true, you did just repeat the same jargony statement, so I again requested you to elaborate, hoping for an intelligible explanation in plain English.  This is a discussion forum after all.

And now you accuse me of "intellectual dishonesty"?   :wacky:

Perhaps you are just regurgitating stuff you don't understand, it wouldn't be the first time we've seen it here.

If you want to have constructive discussions here I'd advise you to get off your high horse.
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 30, 2016, 04:10:18 pm
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Well, it's true, you did just repeat the same jargony statement, so I again requested you to elaborate, hoping for an intelligible explanation in plain English.  This is a discussion forum after all.

The day you specify the part of my statement which was unintelligible, or not “plain English” to you, I'll consider an “elaboration”.

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And now you accuse me of "intellectual dishonesty"?   :wacky:

I didn't merely “accuse” you of intellectual dishonesty; I proved it.

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Perhaps you are just regurgitating stuff you don't understand,

Then prove it. If you cannot, feel free to shut up.

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it wouldn't be the first time we've seen it here.

“We”? How many are you? Or is it a symptom of schizophrenia, or just a majestic plural?

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If you want to have constructive discussions here

Here or elsewhere, “constructive discussion” does not exist with intellectually dishonest folks.

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I'd advise you to get off your high horse

Considering your penchant for majestic plural, either your horse is too high or your legs are too short.
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Spiny Norman on July 30, 2016, 10:56:37 pm
So I asked for clarification of what you said, and instead of explaining you launch into this ridiculous ad hom.    What is your malfunction?  :wacky:

I reckon you're just regurgitating something you've read, parroting cryptic phrases, you have no idea what it really means and therefore cannot explain it, hence your over-the-top defensive reaction. 

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Matibhadra on August 01, 2016, 05:34:23 am
Your self-justifying noise now became just repetitive. Are you a human or a machine?
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Spiny Norman on August 02, 2016, 03:32:36 am
Your self-justifying noise now became just repetitive.

You are the one repeating cryptic phrases which you cannot explain.

Anyway, it doesn't seem like anyone else here is interested in your "pronouncements", so maybe you should go and preach somewhere else.
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: Matibhadra on August 03, 2016, 02:56:45 am
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You are the one repeating cryptic phrases which you cannot explain.

You asked a question (“What is the "meaning of ultimate reality" that you referred to”) which had already been previously answered in my first post (“the meaning of ultimate reality: anything's mere lack of an imagined intrinsic existence”).

Therefore, in order to answer your already answered question, I had no other choice except for repeating the already given answer.

Now, if you see the phrase “anything's mere lack of an imagined intrinsic existence” as somehow cryptic or unintelligible, which is perfectly fine, you may just ask me, and I'll be pleased to explain and discuss my thoughts, but if you contemptuously and viciously attack me just because I answer an already answered question repeating the already given answer, then communication can become rather difficult indeed.

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Anyway, it doesn't seem like anyone else here is interested in your "pronouncements", so maybe you should go and preach somewhere else.

Thanks for the suggestion. Are you doing voluntary work or are you paid for it?
Title: Re: What differentiates Gelug over other traditions?
Post by: tenzintharpa on October 28, 2016, 09:35:35 am
The difference between the Gelug school and the other three main schools of Tibetan Buddhism is profound. The root of the difference is based on J. Tsongkhapa’s unique interpretation of the two truths based mainly on the work of Chandrakirti. Therefore the Gelug school’s unique view on the two truths results in a unique view of Buddhahood , i.e., the Buddha bodies (Gelug posit 4 / others posit 3) and the parameters related to ultimate reality.
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