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Re: "Overcoming" self-importance
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2010, 05:03:05 pm »
There's a crack in everything
that's how the light gets in.

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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2010, 11:22:33 pm »
Great lyric. It was my second choice.
Like a bird on the wire,
like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free.
Like a worm on a hook,
like a knight from some old fashioned book
I have saved all my ribbons for thee.
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Re: "Overcoming" self-importance
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2010, 11:36:53 am »
he mah hero. 

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2010, 12:28:29 pm »
he mah hero. 

*sniff*
I heard he hangs out at a Zen center in the hills above L.A., although that could be old info.
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Re: "Overcoming" self-importance
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2010, 12:49:47 pm »
He might still, being a Soto Zen Buddhist an'all... but he's busy touring, doing musicky stuff.  He still lives and works out of LA. 
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Re: "Overcoming" self-importance
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2010, 03:44:11 pm »
To always view yourself, in any company, as the least important one there. 

Its in the dhamma somewhere!  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2010, 03:58:25 am »

To always view yourself, in any company, as the least important one there. 


Advice like this, although excellent, without mastering unattachment can be dangerous. If someone still heavily identifies with his/her ego, this might drive them into heavy depression.

Once unattachment is obtained and stabilized there’s no danger.

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2010, 04:44:49 am »
He might still, being a Soto Zen Buddhist an'all... but he's busy touring, doing musicky stuff.  He still lives and works out of LA. 

Rinzai, I believe. And the place is Mt Baldy. Where Sasaki Roshi is still teaching at the age of 102.
Deaf, he hears his own nature.
Blind, he sees his Original Mind.
The empty, clear moon
In the water rises
Where heart and mind are forgotten.


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Re: "Overcoming" self-importance
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2010, 08:43:33 am »
There is no self.Simple.

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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2010, 10:45:42 am »
There is no self.Simple.

 Damn!  :smack:  I've completely forgot about that!  :D

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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2010, 11:24:48 am »
He might still, being a Soto Zen Buddhist an'all... but he's busy touring, doing musicky stuff.  He still lives and works out of LA. 

Rinzai, I believe. And the place is Mt Baldy. Where Sasaki Roshi is still teaching at the age of 102.

How strange... I know Mt Baldy.  I wonder where I got Soto zen from...  I'll have to double check, but thanks!  I hope I'll be teaching at the spry age of 102...
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2010, 11:29:04 am »
There is no self.Simple.

Arya, you summarize shortly a process that can take much much much longer to go through.  In short, you are totally correct.  But the application of this "short" may not be so short in the course of a lifetime.  To say there is no self is true.  But there is still sense of self, of this separateness you live in everyday that you have no control over or point of reference to any other state of being.  Unless you have been without this mind in one body and can recall this state of total non-singularity that is one's perception of experience, the process of 'no-self' might take a while...

In essence, I agree with you.  What I was referring to was perhaps the organic part of the process that isn't the final destination.  Your statement provides the final destination which needs to be decoded and translated and 'made personal' to the deluded mind which isn't there yet.  The journey there can be as unpleasant or pleasant as we make it I suppose...?
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Re: "Overcoming" self-importance
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2010, 11:40:40 am »


Arya, you summarize shortly a process that can take much much much longer to go through. 

Why should it take long long long time? If it cannot happen in this moment then what is a guarantee that it will happen after the alleged long long long time span? If there is no guarantee then is it a random realization? and if there is a guarantee then how long long long time is enough exactly?

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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2010, 12:08:02 pm »
He might still, being a Soto Zen Buddhist an'all... but he's busy touring, doing musicky stuff.  He still lives and works out of LA. 

Rinzai, I believe. And the place is Mt Baldy. Where Sasaki Roshi is still teaching at the age of 102.

How strange... I know Mt Baldy.  I wonder where I got Soto zen from...  I'll have to double check, but thanks!  I hope I'll be teaching at the spry age of 102...
I think Cohen washes dishes there. Talk about overcoming self-importance!
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Re: "Overcoming" self-importance
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2010, 12:09:10 pm »
There is no self.Simple.
Says who? :lol:



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