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Re: A thought on awareness
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2009, 02:00:30 pm »
There's something to what you're saying.  Deep down I know that space/time can not be the objectively valid a priori construct it appears to be, so that with a proper understanding, boundaries collapse and I won't be able to speak of entities existing-in-themselves, one or many.  However this is the realm of cosmology and I don't like to spend much time there.  It feels ... indulgent.

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Re: A thought on awareness
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2009, 03:12:40 pm »
this is the realm of cosmology and I don't like to spend much time there.  It feels ... indulgent.
*sheepishgrin* :D I know what you mean...  But indulgence only occurs for me when I want to stroke my ego.  Otherwise, it's honest investigation.  In this case, I'm just growing in my understanding.

It was simply an interesting sequence of thoughts.
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Re: A thought on awareness
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2009, 06:58:06 pm »
Daphne,

Basically, on the conventional level, it is said that all beings' streams of consciousness are entirely separate, although they are all identical in nature, i.e. qualitatively. On the ultimate level, however, all individual phenomena (which in this usage can mean any individual thing, particle, instant of consciousness, instant of time, etc) are dependently arisen so that there's nothing whatsoever that can be broken down into a smallest, solid, truly existing core or essence... Everything there is enjoys an existence that is merely the confluence of other things, and each of the things making up that confluence likewise enjoys an existence that is merely the confluence of other things, and so on down to space. That being the case, on the level of ultimate analysis, nothing whatsoever can be found anywhere. At the same time, on the level of mere appearances - i.e. the level of ordinary experience - things obviously do clearly appear and function. This fact that nothing can ultimately be found, but a multitude of phenomena nevertheless appears is what it means to say that, on the ultimate level, "there is neither one nor many."

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Re: A thought on awareness
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2009, 07:06:38 pm »
There's something to what you're saying.  Deep down I know that space/time can not be the objectively valid a priori construct it appears to be, so that with a proper understanding, boundaries collapse and I won't be able to speak of entities existing-in-themselves, one or many.  However this is the realm of cosmology and I don't like to spend much time there.  It feels ... indulgent.

Whether or not it's indulgent depends on one's motivation. If we go on discussing this just because it's fascinating to us, then that's obviously indulgent. But there's a reason why the Buddha gave the teachings on emptiness - for us to hear/study them, then contemplate them deeply, and then meditate on our conclusions which will lead to us destroying our false notions of an objectively existing inner self and objectively existing outer phenomena which are the building blocks of samsara. So, if we discuss these things with that motivation, or better yet with the motivation to attain that realization in order to help others liberate themselves from samsara too, then that is as far from indulgent as it gets.

Brian

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Re: A thought on awareness
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2009, 08:29:32 pm »
To rip off a metaphor i think i saw at esangha, thinking about awareness is like dancing about architecture, probably harmless enough if you expect nothing to come of it.

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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2009, 08:41:07 pm »
To rip off a metaphor i think i saw at esangha, thinking about awareness is like dancing about architecture, probably harmless enough if you expect nothing to come of it.

now that's what I call entertainment.
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2009, 10:21:12 pm »
I agree with what you say Brian.  It's just that when I think about concepts like space and time, it seems like I'm so far away from understanding, that my time is much better spent on analyzing emptiness here and now.

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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2009, 10:23:53 pm »
I agree with what you say Brian.  It's just that when I think about concepts like space and time, it seems like I'm so far away from understanding, that my time is much better spent on analyzing emptiness here and now.

No doubt... It's as one of my teachers is always saying: "slowly, slowly, step by step."

 


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