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m0rl0ck

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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2009, 06:51:41 am »

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Me too.    .....but still here I am online.  So I guess I want to share practice.  I love to debate. If everyone agreed with me I'd still be a five year old(still am on a certain level). Maybe I'm just hoping we, the online Sangha, can show the same respect for each others practice as we do offline. Maybe the tone of this forum can be more supportive than competitive.  Its just a wish from someone getting quickly jaded by life online.

i will second your Me too.

So many in these kinds of forums seem to want to play buddhism as just another computer game.

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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2009, 06:55:35 am »
 What are you talking from now?   

As well as, very possibly, my nether orifice.

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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2009, 03:58:48 pm »
In response to  morlock's claim that "those who seek the truth by means of the intellect and learning only get further and further away from it":

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/gunaratana/wheel351.html
The Buddha is constantly seen in the suttas encouraging his disciples to develop jhana. The four jhanas are invariably included in the complete course of training laid down for disciples.1 They figure in the training as the discipline of higher consciousness (adhicittasikkha), right concentration (sammasamadhi) of the Noble Eightfold Path, and the faculty and power of concentration (samadhindriya, samadhibala). Though a vehicle of dry insight can be found, indications are that this path is not an easy one, lacking the aid of the powerful serenity available to the practitioner of jhana. The way of the jhana attainer seems by comparison smoother and more pleasurable (A.ii,150-52). The Buddha even refers to the four jhanas figuratively as a kind of Nibbana: he calls them immediately visible Nibbana, factorial Nibbana, Nibbana here and now (A.iv,453-54).

http://what-buddha-said.net/drops/IV/The_7_Persons.htm
And how, monks, is the person freed by Understanding?
As to this, monks, some person is dwelling, without having directly experienced with both body
and mind those peaceful mental releases, which are formless, yet having seen by understanding
all his mental fermentations are utterly destroyed. He is freed by understanding and has done
what should be done. He can therefore never become negligent ever again...
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I would agree that intellectual approaches can be dangerous.  But with proper discipline, they are effective.  One just has to make sure not to get attached to the thoughts, and to perceive them as they are.

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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2009, 06:54:55 pm »

EDIT: Yay!! 2 Stars for me as of this post !!  ::)  ;D

How many posts qualifies one for 2 stars?
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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2009, 06:57:13 pm »
Huh, irony is, that post DID qualify me for 2 stars... Now I know...

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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2009, 07:39:43 pm »
When do I get more stars? >:(







Hello Monkey mind. It may one of those Zen /Theravada differences.   The Theravadin folks I know do a lot of sutra study. The Zen people do not emphasise it in the same way. And there are times when I have been told to "drop a head full of Dharma"  It also varies with teachers.  It seems there may be different legitimate approaches.   

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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2009, 07:58:15 pm »
In response to  morlock's claim that "those who seek the truth by means of the intellect and learning only get further and further away from it":



That was Huang Po and if you are learned enough to argue with Huang Po, Im not even going to try :)

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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2009, 11:35:35 pm »
I assure you I am not learned enough to argue with a Zen master.  Those were just a couple quotes I pulled from random sources, and it's possible I'm misinterpreting them.  What I do know is that while it is the Zen approach to restrain intellectual thought, that does not mean intellectual thought is necessarily always counterproductive.

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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2009, 11:52:15 pm »
I would say Zen is not anti-intellectual by a long shot.  But it is fair to say that it is applied in a different way than say Theravada or Vajrayana. Part of the challenge of sharing practice online is agreeing on some basic meanings.  It seems sometimes that as we practice in our different traditions we can make assumptions about Buddhism in general based on the ground rules of their particular stream.   Having started out in Soen before moving to Thai Forest, then back to Soen again after a long period, I am still processing just how different they are in some very real ways.  A whole different conception as a starting point.     Dzogchen is another example.  Very different again.
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2009, 03:26:38 am »
Apologies for being vague.  By intellectual, I meant long-winded discursive intellectual thought.  Am I incorrect that Zen tends to shun this approach?

I agree with you that it is difficult to communicate when people are using different definitions.  That's one of the reasons it is good to argue sometimes - so often the argument stems from poor communication, and then once that is ironed out, people are able to understand each other better.  Discussions where all parties are aware of this and are able to show flex with the way they define things can be wonderfully productive.

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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2009, 05:23:20 am »
Apologies for being vague.  By intellectual, I meant long-winded discursive intellectual thought.  Am I incorrect that Zen tends to shun this approach?

You are quite correct. Ive been shut down a few times with the teacher slapping the floor with his hand, and just looking at me. How does one discuss that online?  ???

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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2009, 12:31:13 pm »
You are quite correct. Ive been shut down a few times with the teacher slapping the floor with his hand, and just looking at me. How does one discuss that online?  ???

I think you can discuss that online by describing for us the story and sharing what went on in your mind before, during, and after.  I would love to hear that story.  Those of us who are wordsmiths either by profession or passion or both are certainly very interested in hearing the journey another has gone through.  Personally I'd feel honored to share your journey with you by just sharing the awareness of it.  
 :bow:

But that's just how I perceive the application of sharing my practice with other members who want to share that aspect of their studies/practice. <3
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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2009, 03:24:35 pm »
Ok here is a story.....it was my first teacher.     I had been on some mindfullness retreats, but was new to the Yong Maeng Jong Jin, a Soen retreat, which is pretty intense.    While on this retreat, after a few days the "bottom of the bucket fell away", and I had an opening, which was pretty exciting I can tell you. I felt very special and couldnt wait to shine.   Towards the end of the retreat the teacher called everyone around for a talk, but once he took his seat he Instead asked us  "what is the nature of Avalokiteshvara?"   Now while he was asking this question he was looking directly at me the whole time. I thought "aaah he can see my specialness" so I spoke -up. Barely a word came out of my mouth before he drilled into me with his eyes and shrieked YOU!!!!!  SHUT UP!!!!!!. I cannot describe the immediate effect that had on me.  A little while later I passed him in the hall, and he gave me the sweetest smile as if absolutely nothing had happened.
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« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2009, 03:41:41 pm »
Ok here is a story.....it was my first teacher.     I had been on some mindfullness retreats, but was new to the Yong Maeng Jong Jin, a Soen retreat, which is pretty intense.    While on this retreat, after a few days the "bottom of the bucket fell away", and I had an opening, which was pretty exciting I can tell you. I felt very special and couldnt wait to shine.   Towards the end of the retreat the teacher called everyone around for a talk, but once he took his seat he Instead asked us  "what is the nature of Avalokiteshvara?"   Now while he was asking this question he was looking directly at me the whole time. I thought "aaah he can see my specialness" so I spoke -up. Barely a word came out of my mouth before he drilled into me with his eyes and shrieked YOU!!!!!  SHUT UP!!!!!!. I cannot describe the immediate effect that had on me.  A little while later I passed him in the hall, and he gave me the sweetest smile as if absolutely nothing had happened.

Wow...  That's so potent.  That he just yelled at you to shut up, as if impersonating your ego-antidote right then and there he told your specialnessego to shut up.  Wow, so much taught in 2 seconds! :bow:

EDIT: See that right there?  That story really gave me something to think about all afternoon.  Now I've become more aware of when my specialnessego prances and dances about...
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Re: Can we share practice online?
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2009, 09:49:59 pm »
Ok here is a story.....it was my first teacher.     I had been on some mindfullness retreats, but was new to the Yong Maeng Jong Jin, a Soen retreat, which is pretty intense.    While on this retreat, after a few days the "bottom of the bucket fell away", and I had an opening, which was pretty exciting I can tell you. I felt very special and couldnt wait to shine.   Towards the end of the retreat the teacher called everyone around for a talk, but once he took his seat he Instead asked us  "what is the nature of Avalokiteshvara?"   Now while he was asking this question he was looking directly at me the whole time. I thought "aaah he can see my specialness" so I spoke -up. Barely a word came out of my mouth before he drilled into me with his eyes and shrieked YOU!!!!!  SHUT UP!!!!!!. I cannot describe the immediate effect that had on me.  A little while later I passed him in the hall, and he gave me the sweetest smile as if absolutely nothing had happened.

Great story  :D thank you !

 


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