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Honour Killings - it's hopless, isn't it?
« on: June 14, 2011, 12:10:58 pm »
On the BBC I've been reading that families kill their daughters if they've been raped (eg, raped by Libyan soldiers proving a point to the rebels) - cf http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13760895.

So we've got war mongers raping women who are then killed by their nearest and dearest for their honour.

Let us be honest and admit that the mission of compassion is just hopeless.  It's never going to catch on.

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Re: Honour Killings - it's hopless, isn't it?
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2011, 12:25:20 pm »
Let us be honest and admit that the mission of compassion is just hopeless.  It's never going to catch on.
The only "mission of compassion" I know of is my own attempt to become more compassionate, and if you'll read my posts on the "Forgiveness every day" thread you'll see how much trouble I'm having with just that!

My own resentments and criticisms are being played out on a much more straightforward drama than rape and honor killings, but regardless of the apparent unfairness and injustice of how I am being provoked ultimately my defilements are just as insane.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2011, 12:41:03 pm by santamonicacj »
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Re: Honour Killings - it's hopless, isn't it?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2011, 12:49:50 pm »
On the BBC I've been reading that families kill their daughters if they've been raped (eg, raped by Libyan soldiers proving a point to the rebels) - cf http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13760895.

So we've got war mongers raping women who are then killed by their nearest and dearest for their honour.

Let us be honest and admit that the mission of compassion is just hopeless.  It's never going to catch on.

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These 'honour' killings are not exclusively Islamic, where a raped woman may have to provide male witnesses to prove her innocence.  However, there is an horrific video on the net of an Islamic woman who was stoned to death on the street for having a boyfriend from a different Islamic sect.  The stoning lasted a long time, finally concluded as a concrete slab is smashed into her skull, but not before her 'honour killers' had lifted up her skirt to look at her panties. It would be very wrong to blame Islam, rather than tribal beliefs and/or perverted Imams.

When I was in India, there were daily reports of women dying in 'kitchen fires' because the husband's family either rejected them or the dowry was insufficient etc.   Police are bribed to ignore the kerosene poured over the bride/wife before her 'accident'. There is still a number in the UK, and usually it is male relatives - husbands, brothers, fathers - who are arrested for the crime.

Compassion is never hopeless.  

Many religions espouse compassion, and the spread of those religions testifies to the success of that message.  I don't have statistics but I believe that most people are compassionate and that many others may be persuaded to be so.

If your example in everyday  life, or as a teacher, persuades just one person to be compassionate, it is worthwhile. ;)
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Re: Honour Killings - it's hopless, isn't it?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2011, 09:33:39 pm »
Let us be honest and admit that the mission of compassion is just hopeless.
When the Buddha taught about the pervasiveness of suffering in no small part he was making the point that there is no such thing as Utopia. And, if there were such a thing, it wouldn't last since everything is impermanent.

If we contemplate the Teachings and come to the conclusion that all the various horrors we see are part of a grand cycle, and the key to that cycle is active and within us, then our compassion turns into an effort to address that defect within ourselves. That way we can offer a permanent solution to the cycle of suffering to others. We can actually do that so "the mission of compassion" is not hopeless. However we will never be able to remake the world into a place where everyone follows the Buddha's Teachings on compassion.

In the traditional teachings they have the analogy of either trying to cover the world with leather, or just putting on some sandals. That's what they're talking about.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2011, 09:40:09 pm by santamonicacj »
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Re: Honour Killings - it's hopless, isn't it?
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2011, 08:08:15 pm »
Let us be honest and admit that the mission of compassion is just hopeless.  It's never going to catch on.

If compassion ever has been or can be a mission then it is one that you take up voluntarily and then it is just yours. And in being just yours it is completely independent of others taking it up too not.

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Re: Honour Killings - it's hopless, isn't it?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 02:19:11 pm »
Never give up hope.

 


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