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Confused Buddhism
« on: November 19, 2012, 10:49:21 pm »
CONFUSED BUDDHISM

 Guatam buddha taught HInayana/ Therwada/ Vajradhara to prepare humanity for Mahayana Buddhism

Hinayana/ Therwada/ Vajradhara was taught to get one free from attachments, lust, fear, hatred, love, sex etc. The target was to reach Arhatship.

In many Mahayana sutras extensive existence free from Dukha, sickness, misery , old age and death is described. It is the path that bhoddhisattvas follow.

But the existing buddhists and their teachers want to become Buddhas, Bhoddisattvas and yet retain sex, men and women,

If even a hint is placed that women are No No in higher wonderful existence of Bhoddisattvas, their is a huge uproar.

Hinduism gives a science in which beautiful, lustful, men and women relationship is explored. Their are heavens full of beautiful men and women and wonderful methods of co-relationship. But the misery. old age and death are also there.

If one is only following science of Hinayana/ Therwada/Vajradhara without fixing a target at Mahyana. It will be better for him to forget Buddhism and learn Hinduism.
All the Maha Gods of Hinduism like Vishnu, Nrayana,Krishna, Indra, Shiva etc. have a woman Goddess by their side. Wordly luxuries are a part of their life. And they can lord over their creation.

A Bhoddisattva with a consort can exist but :Buddhahood is barred for him.And without Buddha, a bhoddisattva has to remain a secondary person as he cannot lord over his creation.Buddha laws strictly apply for every one.

One should clear ones confusion. Fix up a target. Go for it scientifically and then one can achieve.

I find both Hinduism and Buddhism worth understanding for western, women/men oriented society.

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Re: Confused Buddhism
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2012, 10:43:06 am »
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I find both Hinduism and Buddhism worth understanding for western, women/men oriented society.
Me too.
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Re: Confused Buddhism
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2012, 05:18:08 pm »
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A Bhoddisattva with a consort can exist but :Buddhahood is barred for him.And without Buddha, a bhoddisattva has to remain a secondary person as he cannot lord over his creation.Buddha laws strictly apply for every one.
This is not correct in the context of Vajrayāna Buddhism, where the karmamudrā of consort practices are often considered a necessity for annuttarasamyaksaṃbodhi within one's lifetime - otherwise one must wait until the appearance of clear light, prabhāsvara, to appear after death, as Tsongkhapa did.

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2012, 05:28:15 pm »
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A Bhoddisattva with a consort can exist but :Buddhahood is barred for him.And without Buddha, a bhoddisattva has to remain a secondary person as he cannot lord over his creation.Buddha laws strictly apply for every one.
This is not correct in the context of Vajrayāna Buddhism, where the karmamudrā of consort practices are often considered a necessity for annuttarasamyaksaṃbodhi within one's lifetime - otherwise one must wait until the appearance of clear light, prabhāsvara, to appear after death, as Tsongkhapa did.
Ok, that's technically correct. :-)

What I want to know is where you read it. It isn't discussed much. :-0
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 05:46:56 pm »
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A Bhoddisattva with a consort can exist but :Buddhahood is barred for him.And without Buddha, a bhoddisattva has to remain a secondary person as he cannot lord over his creation.Buddha laws strictly apply for every one.
This is not correct in the context of Vajrayāna Buddhism, where the karmamudrā of consort practices are often considered a necessity for annuttarasamyaksaṃbodhi within one's lifetime - otherwise one must wait until the appearance of clear light, prabhāsvara, to appear after death, as Tsongkhapa did.
Ok, that's technically correct. :-)

What I want to know is where you read it. It isn't discussed much. :-0
It isn't discussed much because it's esoteric, or at least the details are, but the fact is present in most overview texts about Vajrayāna. Other than in direct tuition, the details are in Yoganiruttara Tantras when they discuss Mahamudra.

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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2012, 08:38:12 pm »
You can read that in the book Tantra by Geshe Tashi Tsering.

Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2012, 09:09:55 pm »
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A Bhoddisattva with a consort can exist but :Buddhahood is barred for him.And without Buddha, a bhoddisattva has to remain a secondary person as he cannot lord over his creation.Buddha laws strictly apply for every one.
This is not correct in the context of Vajrayāna Buddhism, where the karmamudrā of consort practices are often considered a necessity for annuttarasamyaksaṃbodhi within one's lifetime - otherwise one must wait until the appearance of clear light, prabhāsvara, to appear after death, as Tsongkhapa did.

My conclusions are based on 2 factors.

1. Logically......

Emptiness the highest is ZERO. (No space, no time, all dharmas empty)
Nirvan an actual SPACE (Only for wisdom oriented) Buddhism nearest to highest Emptiness is ONE
Buddha (ready for entry into Nirvan after leaving Buddhahood) in that SPACE with WISDOM are TWO.
Buddha upholding CORRECT LAW in that SPACE with WISDOM  are THREE.
Bhoddisattva entering Buddha and upholding CORRECT LAW in that SPACE with WISDOM is still THREE
Bhoddisattvas with SELF (accompanied by CONSORT or any other attachment)  goes to FOUR  or still LOWER.
LOWER because retaining CONSORT needs some other attachment.

2. When I meditate and create Emptiness for short periods, I pass thro these experiences.
    Emptiness gets created for short periods because as I rise from  meditation, surrounding
    inter relationship or sentients fill up that Emptiness.
    In meditation TRANSCENDING/ CULTIVATION recreates Emptiness.
    So passing thro this experience happens many times.


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Re: Confused Buddhism
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2012, 09:25:26 pm »
In fact a  CONSORT has to be created by Self with some desire or purpose.
Christianity says that ADAM (SELF) created Eve out of his rib as a plaything. So Eve cannot enter Buddhahood .
Vedas confirm this in Hindusim.
Guatam Buddh also confirms that an Eve (consort) has to first convert into Male to become Buddha.
There cannot be Male Buddha and Female Buddha.

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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2012, 09:29:16 pm »
If these writing are creating  disturbance, please shift this thread to DANGER ZONE.
My apology to Dharma Wheel readers as I am banned on that site and I can  not explain my explanations of  my writings.
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2012, 09:44:23 pm »
Riju,

What is the difference between your understanding of emptiness and nothingness?
Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: Confused Buddhism
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2012, 10:21:47 pm »
Riju,

What is the difference between your understanding of emptiness and nothingness?

Emptiness.....If one empties his insides of emotions, desires, logic, memory , wisdom, dharmas       
                      in meditation etc. Emptiness becomes something which he has experienced.
Nothingness...If one by logic thinks, I am  not space, not  time, not emotions, not dharma etc.
                       and finally he reaches a level where he experiences that I am Nothing. Than                   
                       Nothingness becomes his experience.
BOTH ARE SAME.
Yet when he sees the world, feels the desires, emotions also as a reality, initially he is confused. He then enters an experience of CONTRADICTIONS.
Out of repeated experience of CONTRADICTION, one reaches a level of WISDOM, accepting these contradictions and the result is that SELF (ego) gets weak.
One can reach NOSELF (stage of Arhat) by this method.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2012, 10:28:59 pm »
I have used the word SPACE, i should have written MULTI-DIMENSIONED SPACE.
This word SPACE moves down to Multi-space continuously. Somewhere I have to simplify.

Guatam Buddha avoided the word SPACE for NIRVAN, probably because this word MULTI-DIMENSIONED SPACE could have created confusion at the time of His physical existence.

Today with the knowledge of science available one can explain MULTI-DIMENSIONED SPACE.
In this same three dimensioned space with extra senses one can see more creations.
Tv screen can show multi-channels on the same space at different frequencies. Same is the case of SPACE.
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2012, 11:17:30 pm »
Riju,

According to you the nature of sex is actually clear or sinful?

The nature of jealousy is actually clear or sinful?
Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: Confused Buddhism
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2012, 12:59:18 am »
Riju,

According to you the nature of sex is actually clear or sinful?

The nature of jealousy is actually clear or sinful?

According to me legal sex is healthy and enjoyable. But its side effect is old age and death of physical life and rebirth.
If one wants to transcend death and achieve Buddhahood, then at certain stage of growth via bhoddisattva one has to avoid sex.

Jealousy....In my view nothing is sinful, but side effect of jealousy is sickness, misery and sufferings. One should be ready for it.

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Re: Confused Buddhism
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2012, 01:03:17 am »
According to me this evolution of existence came down from Emptiness (zero) to  millions billions trillions factions as it descends down. This statement is in support of earlier writing

 


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