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Offline J. McKenna

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Re: Self- Ordination
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2012, 02:59:09 pm »
Sounds like nihilism.

really          how distorted        but such are beliefs      they distort ones world and how one sees others and their world
...i found there was no "i" anywhere.....

Offline Lobster

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Re: Self- Ordination
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2012, 12:58:13 am »
It is easy enough to find online advisement
http://greatmiddleway.wordpress.com/online-course/

and to be given ordination
http://yinyana.tumblr.com/post/30916789642/re-fugue

. . . and generally obey our higher impulse and ideals

May all Beings, Buddhas, Bodhisattva
Demons in bikinis and Dakinis without demons
Be at Peace [unless their preferences are elsewhere]

Offline Snow Monkey

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Self-ordination
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2014, 02:13:07 pm »
I find this discussion very interesting.  I know it is "old" but will be a subject, I think, that continues to be timeless.  At first I posted comments here, but then decided since I was new I wold re-start the thread in "new threads." I'd like to hear more of people's thoughts.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2014, 02:25:05 pm by Snow Monkey »

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Re: Self- Ordination
« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2018, 09:01:16 pm »
Aside from the online religious organisations offering ordination, there is a tradition of self-ordination in Buddhism.

For those with a dislike of institutionalised rules and requirements, this may be a useful course of action.

I offer two sources for info or discussion.

The first adopts a Vinaya-based model:

http://ia700604.us.archive.org/5/items/BuddhistSelf-ordinationADharmaStrategyForTheWest/BuddhistSelf-ordination7.pdf

The second adopts a Bodhisattva Vow form:

http://homepage.mac.com/kemlo/Mukyoho/page8/page8.html

Is either model particularly applicable to the West?

As a householder I don't believe that I could adhere to the Vinaya-based ordination, but could certainly abide by the Bodhisattva Vow model, having already taken these vows, and other sets of vows, within intitutionalised Buddhism.

Time to create precision in terminology?

I would also seek to have some clarity in the terms used within Buddhism and would personally adopt 'Priest' and 'Priestess' for one whose holds the Bodhisattva Ordination, and the terms 'Monk' and 'Nun' to indicate those taking the Vinaya Ordination, irrespective of whether these were obtained through a preceptor or by self-ordination.


If the thread produces anguish at the cheek of even suggesting ordination without institutional sanction, then I'll ask it to be moved to the DZ. ;)


Yeshe; I am grateful for your post. I am aware that thisis an older post, however I have had MANY questions concerning this subject. I have taken both the refuge and Bodhisattva vows through the NKT. One because they were the only local institution or Buddhist center that I could get to talk to me or even show any kindness to me. Regardless of where I took my vows, I did take them. But as it is, I am unable to be ordained through any center, partly because I cannot travel over seas, but also because I am married, and my spouse doesn’t want my head shaved or to become celibate. Other than that I am a home owner and with that certain responsibilities. I have very greatly desire to be ordained. And reguarding your post that taking the Bodhisattva vows is in fact an ordination. I am a westerner, USA. And as such, unable to obtain a monastic ordination. My question is, if the Bodhisattva vows are a qualified type of ordination, is it then permissible for one who has taken these vows to wear the robes as the monks and nuns do, especially if those vows are taken very seriously and well guarded / respected, and have kept them faithfully? I should also mention that I have been a faithful practitioner for about four years now. I seek ordination be cause I see the beauty and humble honor of it, not at all to boost the ego or to gain authority as many would think. To me it is an honorable service, that I greatly respect. Also I see no evils of the institutions I love them all. The problem that I have is that there are no institutions who can or will ordain in my area. I know of nothing nearby either. I have spoken to many locally, and they all require the person being ordained to travel overseas which I can not do. I would also like to know why it is that some monks and Nuns, that I have seen online, or in the media are unshaved. I am in understanding that with exception to extenuating circumstances Buddhist monks and nuns when ordained are required to shave their heads....
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