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Re: What the luminous mind of the Buddha shows us
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2013, 03:45:50 am »
Pabhassara Sutta: Luminous AN 1.49-52 translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Luminous, monks, is the mind. And it is freed from incoming defilements." {I,v,10}



Why is a mind free from defilements described as "luminous", which sounds like something glowing in the dark.  Wouldn't "pure" mind make more sense?
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Re: What the luminous mind of the Buddha shows us
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2013, 09:59:21 am »
Does Dzogchen meditation practice induce awareness and mental clarity?...Luminous mind also.

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Re: What the luminous mind of the Buddha shows us
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2013, 12:09:32 pm »
Does Dzogchen meditation practice induce awareness and mental clarity?...Luminous mind also.


Hi, Wesley.  As a Theravadin practitioner I know very little to nothing regarding Dogzen ,  :gawrsh: although we do have a few Tibetens in our weekly ecumenical meditation group  here in NH, USA.

Since none of the Tibetans on the FreeSangha board responded to  your question, I found the following link, which you may find helpful, or which might give you some contacts with whom to discuss your question:

http://www.quora.com/Tibetan-Buddhism/What-is-the-nature-of-DzogChen?ref=bingsocial&bing_lx=2

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-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: What the luminous mind of the Buddha shows us
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2013, 01:10:46 pm »
Does Dzogchen meditation practice induce awareness and mental clarity?...Luminous mind also.


Hi, Wesley.  As a Theravadin practitioner I know very little to nothing regarding Dogzen ,  :gawrsh: although we do have a few Tibetens in our weekly ecumenical meditation group  here in NH, USA.

Since none of the Tibetans on the FreeSangha board responded to  your question, I found the following link, which you may find helpful, or which might give you some contacts with whom to discuss your question:

http://www.quora.com/Tibetan-Buddhism/What-is-the-nature-of-DzogChen?ref=bingsocial&bing_lx=2

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Over at DharmaWheel I learned about the Dzogchen community of Chamkai Choygal Norbu. Are you from NH New Hampshire, USA?..
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Re: What the luminous mind of the Buddha shows us
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2013, 03:09:44 pm »
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Wesley1982:  Over at DharmaWheel I learned about the Dzogchen community of Chamkai Choygal Norbu. Are you from NH New Hampshire, USA?..

Not from, but have lived here in NH since 2005, having moved here after my first wife died.  Originally from Batimore County, Maryland, USA, which technically makes me a "Balti-moron" by birth.   :-P  Lived in Vietnam, Japan, Philippines, while in military, then Virginia, upstate N.Y., then moved here to N.H..

How about you?

Glad you found a group of practitioners on similar paths with whom to compare notes.   :hug:
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What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: What the luminous mind of the Buddha shows us
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2013, 05:13:30 pm »
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Wesley1982:  Over at DharmaWheel I learned about the Dzogchen community of Chamkai Choygal Norbu. Are you from NH New Hampshire, USA?..

Not from, but have lived here in NH since 2005, having moved here after my first wife died.  Originally from Batimore County, Maryland, USA, which technically makes me a "Balti-moron" by birth.   :-P  Lived in Vietnam, Japan, Philippines, while in military, then Virginia, upstate N.Y., then moved here to N.H..

How about you?

Glad you found a group of practitioners on similar paths with whom to compare notes.   :hug:

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Re: What the luminous mind of the Buddha shows us
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2013, 12:18:08 am »
Pabhassara Sutta: Luminous AN 1.49-52 translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

"Luminous, monks, is the mind. And it is freed from incoming defilements." {I,v,10}



Why is a mind free from defilements described as "luminous", which sounds like something glowing in the dark.  Wouldn't "pure" mind make more sense?


Sorry Spiny, Pabhassara is translated as luminous. Buddhism is not always about making sense as many of the Buddha's teachings are counter intuitive. How about trying to understand Buddhism, instead of trying to bend Buddhism to fit what you think Buddhism should look like.
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Re: What the luminous mind of the Buddha shows us
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2013, 06:11:24 pm »
Hi, Wesley.  When I read this I thought of your question regarding "the luminous heart".:

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The Lord said that:

"The realization of Nibbaana is the highest blessing."[14]

So you can see that this is the way to go. Nibbaana is concealed because the heart is covered and obscured by defilements, craving and ignorance. This has to be cleared and put right by investigation and an analysis to gain insight into the truth. It is the way to uncover and reveal all the things that have been hidden. It's called the way of realizing Nibbaana and seeing it clearly within the heart — here is the highest blessing. What can be any higher than this?


source:  http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/thai/boowa/tolastbr.html
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

 


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