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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2017, 02:00:00 am »
But act as you are fit and wish since it's not possible to help one directing to darkness especially if also comming from there.

If you regard Mahayana Buddhism, which comprises perhaps a majority of the world's Buddhists, as a form of spiritual darkness, then I cannot further discuss anything with you. I'm sorry.
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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2017, 02:22:52 am »
Jesus and "Bodhisattas" would be impressed and rescue you. The poor worrier for the poor in troubles and not praised by the "bad".

First with guns into war, now calling for a rescue team...

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“Everybody and every religion has something that is respected as the Highest ( called "God" ). Those who have not developed much wisdom have to believe in a personal God or gods in heaven and pray to them asking for favours in a superstitious way. But those who are wise have God in their heart: they respect the highest principle of nature (conditionality or idappaccayata) and can rely on themselves by living in the appropriate way.”

by Bhikkhu Buddhadasa

What do you think, at least a "Theravadin" Buddha Nature approach, or another doubter?
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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2017, 02:30:05 am »
There seem to be scientists today who also believe in the existence of a universal consciousness:

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New theories in neuroscience suggest consciousness is an intrinsic property of everything, just like gravity. That development opens a world of opportunity for collaboration between Buddhists and neuroscientists.
https://www.lionsroar.com/christof-koch-unites-buddhist-neuroscience-universal-nature-mind/

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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2017, 02:54:20 am »
As Ground sad, views and believes are as manifold as beings and this is a 100% Hindu track not assosiated with the Dhamma at all. Classical Brahmanism.

Scientists (Cosmologist) are that way and the mass runs after the Brahmans.
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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2017, 03:55:23 am »
As Ground sad, views and believes are as manifold as beings and this is a 100% Hindu track not assosiated with the Dhamma at all. Classical Brahmanism.

Scientists (Cosmologist) are that way and the mass runs after the Brahmans.


While Mahayana Buddhism might sound like Hinduism, it's worth noting that Hinduism may have copied Mahayana Buddhism, and not the other way around:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta#Relationship_with_Buddhism
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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2017, 04:31:44 am »
Matthew, Matthew was able to give up his US-nationalistic view by removing the flags and the tendency on his website by well meant advice. Obiviously that gave some release. Why try to take on other flags and let wrong personal view burden him another time.

He would not even have success on any Buddhist forum, as he had seen, with his approches.

Start to practice and study the good Dhamma as long as there are possibilities to gain first of all your self release from yourself, God, conceit.

Social nationalism of all its various kind never brough anybody much benefit.
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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2017, 05:12:04 am »
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If the Buddha was right about dependent origination, then all life, as well as all consciousness, is interconnected:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prat%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da
'interconnectedness' is a strange concept in context of dependent origination. But one may say that since the source of all is unknowingness everything that arises is metaphorically connected through being the manifestation of this unknowingness.
One linguistic step further one arives at the concept of 'oneness': everything is one in being the manifestation of this unknowingness.

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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2017, 06:39:03 am »
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If the Buddha was right about dependent origination, then all life, as well as all consciousness, is interconnected:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prat%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da
'interconnectedness' is a strange concept in context of dependent origination.

It means that all life is interdependent.

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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2017, 01:35:23 pm »
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If the Buddha was right about dependent origination, then all life, as well as all consciousness, is interconnected:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prat%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da
'interconnectedness' is a strange concept in context of dependent origination.

It means that all life is interdependent.
Ok, if that  means that life is empty of true existence then agreed. But if that means that life is truly existent although being interdependent then that's irrational  belief.

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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2017, 03:01:52 pm »
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If the Buddha was right about dependent origination, then all life, as well as all consciousness, is interconnected:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prat%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da
'interconnectedness' is a strange concept in context of dependent origination.

It means that all life is interdependent.
Ok, if that  means that life is empty of true existence then agreed. But if that means that life is truly existent although being interdependent then that's irrational  belief.

That sounds like a semantic difference to me.

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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2017, 03:33:28 pm »
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If the Buddha was right about dependent origination, then all life, as well as all consciousness, is interconnected:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prat%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da
'interconnectedness' is a strange concept in context of dependent origination.

It means that all life is interdependent.
Ok, if that  means that life is empty of true existence then agreed. But if that means that life is truly existent although being interdependent then that's irrational  belief.

That sounds like a semantic difference to me.
What do you expect from different linguistic expressions other than semantic differences?  :teehee:

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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2017, 04:07:08 am »
There seem to be scientists today who also believe in the existence of a universal consciousness:

It depends what you mean by "universal".  Consciousness is certainly ubiquitous, but is there any direct evidence for panpsychism?

But to answer your OP this question, I think this verse from the Vissuddhimagga sums it up quite nicely:

"No God, no Brahma can be found,
No maker of this wheel of life,
Just bare phenomena roll on,
Dependent on conditions all."
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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2017, 04:14:51 am »
The Dharmakaya or universal Buddha-nature can be described as a universal spirit, in which we are all connected, since we all possess Buddha-nature as well.


I'm not convinced that Dharmakaya means "universal Buddha-nature", given that Dharmakaya is specific to Buddhas, and given that Buddha-nature is the potential for enlightenment.  I'm even less convinced that Dharmakaya can be accurately described as a "universal spirit".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmak%C4%81ya
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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2017, 04:18:02 am »
Discussions about God make me want to recite my atheist catechism:

Who made me?
Evolution made me.

Why did evolution make me?
To praise Saint Dawkins and annoy God-botherers. :teehee:
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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2017, 08:12:06 am »
To give the Science-Gods some food... just say in a mailing, that a 5,7 million years old foot print was found in greek... maybe that was you in an previous world-circle. "But we will find scientifical explaining for it." Maybe a previous creator or another universal soul.
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