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Offline IdleChater

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Re: Relative Truth vs. Ultimate Truth?
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2017, 05:46:51 am »
Ultimate Truth is the common knowledge of the non-being, some call it soul, some call it paramatma.

Isn't sunyata Ultimate Truth in this context? 

Paramatma is a Hindu belief, not a Buddhist one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatman

Ultimate truth is what you want it to be. Ultimate truth has never existed as anything at all. 'Ultimate truth' is a conventional linguistic expression  empty of meaning from the outset.  :fu:

Meh.   :flush:
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Re: Relative Truth vs. Ultimate Truth?
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2017, 06:12:10 am »

So why don't you quit ragging on people?

There is no belief you could be referring to with the expressions "your statement is based on beliefs" and "You believe". your strawman.  :fu:

Of course you have beliefs.  Everyone does, and every statement you make on this board is based on them.

No strawman.

Perceiving emptiness directly it is impossible for belief to arise in mind. There is not even belief in emptiness.

'everyone does' necessarily refers  to ordinary consciousnesses. The world does because it is dominated by ordinary consciousnesses.  :fu:

Be that as it may, or may not be, my point is that you are constantly ragging on people about their "beliefs" as if you had none, that you have been liberated from them - an assertion which, in your case, is patently false.

You believe that assertion and that's ok.  You can believe whatever you like.  However to berate and belittle others for what you seem to percieve as a failing, one you share with us all, is the purist hyprocricy and you should stop that.

You also believe that you understand direct perception.  Again, this is fine.  This is something you should feel free to discuss and even promote, beause even though you're wrong about what it is, you have a right to be wrong, just don't get your knickers in a twist when you are challenged.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 06:51:52 am by IdleChater »

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Re: Relative Truth vs. Ultimate Truth?
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2017, 08:03:29 am »

So why don't you quit ragging on people?

There is no belief you could be referring to with the expressions "your statement is based on beliefs" and "You believe". your strawman.  :fu:

Of course you have beliefs.  Everyone does, and every statement you make on this board is based on them.

No strawman.

Perceiving emptiness directly it is impossible for belief to arise in mind. There is not even belief in emptiness.

'everyone does' necessarily refers  to ordinary consciousnesses. The world does because it is dominated by ordinary consciousnesses.  :fu:

Be that as it may, or may not be, my point is that you are constantly ragging on people about their "beliefs" as if you had none, that you have been liberated from them - an assertion which, in your case, is patently false.

You believe that assertion and that's ok.  You can believe whatever you like.  However to berate and belittle others for what you seem to percieve as a failing, one you share with us all, is the purist hyprocricy and you should stop that.

You also believe that you understand direct perception.  Again, this is fine.  This is something you should feel free to discuss and even promote, beause even though you're wrong about what it is, you have a right to be wrong, just don't get your knickers in a twist when you are challenged.

Forgive me, I was in recovery of the remnants of deep seated suffering.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 12:02:36 pm by Solodris »

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Re: Relative Truth vs. Ultimate Truth?
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2017, 03:23:47 pm »

So why don't you quit ragging on people?

There is no belief you could be referring to with the expressions "your statement is based on beliefs" and "You believe". your strawman.  :fu:

Of course you have beliefs.  Everyone does, and every statement you make on this board is based on them.

No strawman.

Perceiving emptiness directly it is impossible for belief to arise in mind. There is not even belief in emptiness.

'everyone does' necessarily refers  to ordinary consciousnesses. The world does because it is dominated by ordinary consciousnesses.  :fu:

Be that as it may, or may not be, my point is that you are constantly ragging on people about their "beliefs" as if you had none, that you have been liberated from them - an assertion which, in your case, is patently false.

You believe that assertion and that's ok.  You can believe whatever you like.  However to berate and belittle others for what you seem to percieve as a failing, one you share with us all, is the purist hyprocricy and you should stop that.

You also believe that you understand direct perception.  Again, this is fine.  This is something you should feel free to discuss and even promote, beause even though you're wrong about what it is, you have a right to be wrong, just don't get your knickers in a twist when you are challenged.

Forgive me, I was in recovery of the remnants of deep seated suffering.

WTF are you talking about?

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Re: Relative Truth vs. Ultimate Truth?
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2017, 04:50:12 pm »

So why don't you quit ragging on people?

There is no belief you could be referring to with the expressions "your statement is based on beliefs" and "You believe". your strawman.  :fu:

Of course you have beliefs.  Everyone does, and every statement you make on this board is based on them.

No strawman.

Perceiving emptiness directly it is impossible for belief to arise in mind. There is not even belief in emptiness.

'everyone does' necessarily refers  to ordinary consciousnesses. The world does because it is dominated by ordinary consciousnesses.  :fu:

Be that as it may, or may not be, my point is that you are constantly ragging on people about their "beliefs" as if you had none, that you have been liberated from them - an assertion which, in your case, is patently false.

You believe that assertion and that's ok.  You can believe whatever you like.  However to berate and belittle others for what you seem to percieve as a failing, one you share with us all, is the purist hyprocricy and you should stop that.

You also believe that you understand direct perception.  Again, this is fine.  This is something you should feel free to discuss and even promote, beause even though you're wrong about what it is, you have a right to be wrong, just don't get your knickers in a twist when you are challenged.

Forgive me, I was in recovery of the remnants of deep seated suffering.

WTF are you talking about?

A misjudgement lead to an accident in becoming corrupted.

This is what all the commotion was about.

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Re: Relative Truth vs. Ultimate Truth?
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2017, 04:58:29 pm »
Ultimate truth have been placed in faith storage.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 05:29:13 pm by Solodris »

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Re: Relative Truth vs. Ultimate Truth?
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2017, 10:16:18 pm »

So why don't you quit ragging on people?

There is no belief you could be referring to with the expressions "your statement is based on beliefs" and "You believe". your strawman.  :fu:

Of course you have beliefs.  Everyone does, and every statement you make on this board is based on them.

No strawman.

Perceiving emptiness directly it is impossible for belief to arise in mind. There is not even belief in emptiness.

'everyone does' necessarily refers  to ordinary consciousnesses. The world does because it is dominated by ordinary consciousnesses.  :fu:

Be that as it may, or may not be, my point is that you are constantly ragging on people about their "beliefs" as if you had none, that you have been liberated from them - an assertion which, in your case, is patently false.

You believe that assertion and that's ok.  You can believe whatever you like.  However to berate and belittle others for what you seem to percieve as a failing, one you share with us all, is the purist hyprocricy and you should stop that.

You also believe that you understand direct perception.  Again, this is fine.  This is something you should feel free to discuss and even promote, beause even though you're wrong about what it is, you have a right to be wrong, just don't get your knickers in a twist when you are challenged.

Forgive me, I was in recovery of the remnants of deep seated suffering.

WTF are you talking about?

A misjudgement lead to an accident in becoming corrupted.

This is what all the commotion was about.

Why don't  you try that again, this time without the contrived pithiness.


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Re: Relative Truth vs. Ultimate Truth?
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2017, 11:00:35 pm »

So why don't you quit ragging on people?

There is no belief you could be referring to with the expressions "your statement is based on beliefs" and "You believe". your strawman.  :fu:

Of course you have beliefs.  Everyone does, and every statement you make on this board is based on them.

No strawman.

Perceiving emptiness directly it is impossible for belief to arise in mind. There is not even belief in emptiness.

'everyone does' necessarily refers  to ordinary consciousnesses. The world does because it is dominated by ordinary consciousnesses.  :fu:

Be that as it may, or may not be, my point is that you are constantly ragging on people about their "beliefs" as if you had none, that you have been liberated from them - an assertion which, in your case, is patently false.

You believe that assertion and that's ok.  You can believe whatever you like.  However to berate and belittle others for what you seem to percieve as a failing, one you share with us all, is the purist hyprocricy and you should stop that.

You also believe that you understand direct perception.  Again, this is fine.  This is something you should feel free to discuss and even promote, beause even though you're wrong about what it is, you have a right to be wrong, just don't get your knickers in a twist when you are challenged.

Forgive me, I was in recovery of the remnants of deep seated suffering.

WTF are you talking about?

A misjudgement lead to an accident in becoming corrupted.

This is what all the commotion was about.

Why don't  you try that again, this time without the contrived pithiness.

I thought I was practicing generosity, can I ask for forgiveness?

 


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