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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2010, 02:32:19 pm »
Yet all across the remainder of the Universe not one iota is wasted in caring what Man claims is or isn't ..... :hi:
  Nor is there an absence of caring.

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2010, 03:59:33 pm »
Caring or not, is an affectation of Man. The Universe is not interested in Man and his games ....
...i found there was no "i" anywhere.....

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2010, 04:02:45 pm »
Dr. Carl Sagan would disagree:

"Man is The Universe becoming aware of itself."

...whereas Buddha emphasized awareness of no-self.
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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2010, 04:07:44 pm »
Dr. Carl Sagan would disagree:

"Man is The Universe becoming aware of itself."

...whereas Buddha emphasized awareness of no-self.

We have disagreed before ..... no big deal!  :)
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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2010, 04:08:08 pm »
I'm sitting here trying to compare the truth of the previous few posts and having a hard time of it.

It seems Carl Sagan was being admirably non dualistic, and quite insightful.

However, what he said does not seem to change the unhappy fact that a universe, containing parts that are self- and universe- aware, generally doesn't seem to give a hoot about our welfare.

And that's about as far as I can get.
Sergeant Schultz was onto something.

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2010, 04:15:14 pm »
Caring or not, is an affectation of Man. The Universe is not interested in Man and his games ....
  The Universe is niether interested nor not-interested. Perception of an indifferent universe is just as much an affectation as perception of a caring one.   Choose you projection.     

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2010, 04:25:23 pm »
There was a thread on another forum where people came together to clarify that there is no ultimate unchanging reality (someone proposed the usual sneaky Brahmanism). It was nice to see them come together, but the interesting part was that they where defining one.


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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2010, 04:30:29 pm »
Caring or not, is an affectation of Man. The Universe is not interested in Man and his games ....
 The Universe is niether interested nor not-interested. Perception of an indifferent universe is just as much an affectation as perception of a caring one.   Choose you projection.    

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2010, 04:45:59 pm »
Oh .. It looked like your choice was nihilism ;D

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2010, 05:07:13 pm »
Oh .. It looked like your choice was nihilism ;D

Sigh. And all these years Laura has been practicing Noodleism and didn't know it was just slip of the tongue.
Sergeant Schultz was onto something.

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #55 on: June 01, 2010, 06:32:16 am »
All (most?) Theravada texts are the common ground between Mahayana and Theravada Buddhist. Mahayana simply added material that is considered a clarification and revelation of the Buddhas full intention. This is shown clearly in Tibet where the full Tripitaka is consider the cornerstone of all kind of Buddhist teaching and practice. The Mahayana teachings don't contradict the Theravada only elaborate on it.

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #56 on: June 01, 2010, 06:43:53 am »
Let me see if I am following your logic:

Mankind is a part of The Universe, which has become sapient (self aware).  Mankind cares about itself in that most human societies have various means of caring for members in need of care.  Buddha, for example, set the example for his Bhikkhus who were stepping over a fellow monk who had been left on the floor dying, sick, and stinking from his lack of treatment.  Buddha bent over to care for him and his Bhikkhu's suddenly became interested in caring for the stinking monk.  Christ did something similar with his apostles by washing their feet, as did the good Samaritan in another New Testiment parable told by Christ.

So, since we humans are a part of The Universe, you are saying that this part of The Universe, loving, caring, and compassionate doesn't count.

Or, did I misunderstand you?


Caring or not, is an affectation of Man. The Universe is not interested in Man and his games ....
  The Universe is niether interested nor not-interested. Perception of an indifferent universe is just as much an affectation as perception of a caring one.   Choose you projection.     
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2010, 02:19:22 pm »
eh?   Well we could look at the Buddha or Jesus and say that the universe has the nature of loving Kindness. Or we could  look at a psychopath who keeps his daughter in a cellar for decades and repeatedly rapes her, so that she gives birth to his inbred children who are raised in the dark, lack all pigmentation, and have never stood upright.

Take your pick.

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2010, 09:49:27 pm »
Or, you could look at the society which arrested the perpetrator, tried him, put him in jail, fed him, and rehabilitated him.  The same society that provided social services for the child he raped and returned her to the family from which she was taken by the perpetrator, who loved her and cared for her, and spent the necessary time with her allowing her physical and mental pains to heal.

It is our choice to look for and cling to good or evil, just as much as it is our choice to do good, or to do evil.  Kamma and its effects belong to each one of us, who are The Universe become aware of Buddha's teachings.

eh?   Well we could look at the Buddha or Jesus and say that the universe has the nature of loving Kindness. Or we could  look at a psychopath who keeps his daughter in a cellar for decades and repeatedly rapes her, so that she gives birth to his inbred children who are raised in the dark, lack all pigmentation, and have never stood upright.

Take your pick.
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Finding Common Ground Between the Theravada and Mahayana
« Reply #59 on: June 02, 2010, 01:50:42 am »
Mahayana simply added material that is considered a clarification and revelation of the Buddhas full intention.

It's known as re-inventing the wheel :teehee:

 


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