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Offline Spiny Norman

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Re: Is Nirvana just a different state of mind?
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 04:45:28 am »
What do YOU think?

Yes, possibly - or at least a particular state of mind.

Here are some relevant quotes I came across:

From "How to practice" by the Dalai Lama, page 173:
"The faulty defilments that pollute the mind - such as ignorance, lust and hatred - are temporary, and therefore seperable from the mind.  Once these defilements are understood to be superficial and not in the minds basic nature, we see that the deep nature of mind is clear light, emptiness."

From AN 1.61 and 1.62
"Bikkhus, this mind is radiant, but passing defilements obscure it.
Bikkhus, this mind is radiant, it radiance shows when unobsured by passing defilements."

From "A heart released" by Ajahn Mun ( page 23 )
"The mind is something more radiant than anything else can be, but because passing defilements obscure it, it loses it's radiance, like the sun when obscured by clouds."

From "Food for the Heart" by Ajahn Chah
"About this mind...in truth there is nothing really wrong with it.  It is intrinsically pure. Within itself  it's already peaceful.  That the mind is not peaceful these days is because it follows moods.  The real mind doesn't have anything to it, it is simply an aspect of Nature.  It becomes peaceful of agitated because moods deceived it.  The untrained mind is stupid. Sense impressions come and trick it into happiness, suffering, gladness and sorrow, but the mind's true nature is none of those things.  That gladness or sadness is not the mind, but only a mood coming to deceive us.  The untrained mind gets lost and follows these things, it forgets itself.  Then we think that it is we who are upset or at ease or whatever.
But really this mind of ours is already unmoving and peaceful...really peaceful!  Just like a leaf which is still as long as there is no wind blows.  If a wind comes up the leaf flutters.  The fluttering is due to the wind - the fluttering is due to those sense impresssions; the mind follows them.  If it doesn't follow them, it doesn't flutter.  If we know fully the true nature of sense impression we will be unmoved. 
Our practice is simply to see the Original Mind.  We must train the mind to know those sense impressions, and not get lost in them; to make it peaceful.  Just this is the aim of all this difficult practice we put ourselves through."

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Re: Is Nirvana just a different state of mind?
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2017, 05:03:10 am »
Therefore unbinding arises , along with contentment, good health, good fortune, freedom from pain and hunger,good fortune  all as a result of the abandonment of anger, when one turns one's back on the aggregates and fabrications.

Ron, what do you mean by "turning one's back" on the aggregates and fabrications?  In the suttas the aggregates represent our experience of the world, so do you mean turning our back on experience?  Not being attached to it?

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Re: Is Nirvana just a different state of mind?
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2017, 01:00:18 pm »
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Spiny:  "Ron, what do you mean by "turning one's back" on the aggregates and fabrications?  In the suttas the aggregates represent our experience of the world, so do you mean turning our back on experience?  Not being attached to it?"

Yes.  As we all have experienced.  That which becomes our focus, that which entralls us, occupies our minds, grabs / demands our attention captivates us.  We can't help but cling to it.  It "owns us".  Therefore, by turning our back on it, we can let go, cease to grasp and cling to it.

But, you already knew that.   :-P 

How have you been?  Anything exciting happening in your world?   :listen:
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Is Nirvana just a different state of mind?
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2017, 09:20:02 pm »
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Therefore unbinding arises , along with contentment, good health, good fortune, freedom from pain and hunger,good fortune  all as a result of the abandonment of anger, when one turns one's back on the aggregates and fabrications.

But as always buddhist cultivate exactly the opposite: they delve into fabrications even when referring to the end of fabrications and thus they stay blind towards the fact that liberation is already present. :teehee:

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Re: Is Nirvana just a different state of mind?
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2017, 01:37:42 am »
How have you been?  Anything exciting happening in your world?   :listen:

The local Buddhist group I set up about 10 years is still going, though more by luck than judgement.    :smack:

I have taken up kayaking, which is a cheap way of getting out on the water.  Paddling can be hard work so I am looking out for a friendly seal or porpoise to give me a tow.   :teehee:

What have you been up to?

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Re: Is Nirvana just a different state of mind?
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2017, 02:57:35 am »
Spiny.  Thanks for sharing your very interesting activities. 

Seals and porpoises are good friends to adopt for kayaking.  Great that you are contributing your experience strength and hope to your local community.

(Further response via pm.)   :eek: Apologies to other thread members for pulling this thread off topic.   :jinsyx:
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

 


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