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Offline Ron-the-Elder

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Re: Is the Buddha Eternal? Is the Buddha a God?
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2017, 11:00:07 am »
Regarding corruption of teachings from what Buddha originally taught:  I don't see any possibility of the Buddha's actual words being left intact due to multiple processes:

1.  The Suttas were originally memorized and passed on from monk to monk over hundreds of years.  Meanings had to be lost, or garbled ( corrupted ) due to missunderstanding and changing of meanings over the centuries, much like computer codes have errors introduced when recopied.

1.a.  When the suttas were placed into writing, and then recopied, some typographical errors inevitably occurred in addition to all of the above and below mentioned reasons for errors.

2.  Translation from one language to another almost always leads to errors, simply because meanings vary from one culture to another.

3.  Personal and cultural obstinancy, and clinging to one's own beliefs, range and domain of personal experiences, and ingrained traditions, methods, and protocols are always going to lead to omissions and changes.  This has likely led to errors and deviations from Buddha's orignal words.

This is the main reason why the Kalama Sutta is so important to study, research and follow, and why following the intstructions of a qualified teacher is of great value to those who learn better and more quickly from personal guidance.

Hinayana and Mahayana:  This is an old argument and one which never leads to harmony between traditions.  From an historical perspective, The Theravadin tradition did not exist during the time when the name, Mahayana, was first formulated.  And the Mahayana has several subdivisions within the larger title.  It is true that there are many different vehicles, all of which are to be abandoned once the river of enlightenment is crossed. 

Such arguments remind me of little boys arguing in the shower as to whose is the biggest.  Things change quickly when the hot water runs out.

Specious arguments about such things lead nowhere of any value,often do much harm, and as stated previously destroy harmony for all of us. :dharma:
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A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Is the Buddha Eternal? Is the Buddha a God?
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2017, 09:02:02 pm »
Mayahana is highly corrupted, also it deviates a lot from Buddha's original teachings. Surprisingly they call themselves 'Mahayana' and consider Theravada (which is very close to the original teachings of Buddha) as 'Hinyana'. Maha = great, yana = vehicle. Hin = lowly, yana = vehicle.  Calling oneself great and considering others as lowly is apparently arrogance on their side. Mayahan is rife with several superstitious, illogical and other practices which contradict several of Buddha's fundamental teachings. One of the core purpose of Buddhist practices is to rise above this game of duals: existence vs. non-existence, mercy vs. cruelty, happiness vs. suffering, ... But Mahayanists totally overthrew this idea and started believing in: divine beings called Bodhisattvas, that come to existence again and again, in order to spread happiness and eliminate suffering in all living beings...

Buddha highly discouraged rituals, reliance on divine beings for salvation. He emphasized on striving and relying on one's own. Mahayana came up with the idea of repeating mantras of Avalokiteshvara as a means of getting rid of suffering and being born in 'pure land'...

The examples of contradictions are countless. And there are several fundamental contradictions that would make us think twice if Mahayana can be considered a school of Buddhism...

Rahul:  I'm in full support of dissecting different views and having a civil discussion about these things.  Starting a post by claiming that a particular sect or set of beliefs is corrupt doesn't contribute to a civil discussion.  I'm sure you can understand why, so let's refrain from going in that direction.

'Corrupt' is a civil word. What's not civil is calling people 'jerk' and claiming like 'you don't know anything about this or that'. Couldn't you read what some other people just posted before your post? What kind of moderation is this?

"Corrupt" by itself is a civil word.  Claiming that someone's closely held personal beliefs are part of a corrupt sect isn't civil by any means, and won't foster reasonable discussion on the subject.  I think we can both agree there was probably a more constructive approach available to discussing your points.

Additionally, this is the second time in a short period that you have raised issue with the way this site is moderated.  If you disagree with the moderation methods that are employed here, you are welcome to follow the path that leads to the exit.  Hopefully you decide to stick around and contribute.

Would you care to answer why people using blatant words like 'jerk' and 'sex addicts' for other people in the forum are freely allowed to keep posting? Would you care to argue why trolling and abuse is allowed here? And when someone uses civilized words to criticize a particular school/branch, you spring into action and start giving warnings? If people can't listen to civilized criticism of views they hold dear, then they must not be in a forum.

Let me put this straight: forums do need people, but people may need a forum. I have no interest in arguing with moderators partial towards some audience and doing unnecessary moderation. If this doesn't make you happy, feel free to do whatever actions you deem fit.

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Re: Is the Buddha Eternal? Is the Buddha a God?
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2017, 10:38:23 am »
Would you care to answer why people using blatant words like 'jerk' and 'sex addicts' for other people in the forum are freely allowed to keep posting? Would you care to argue why trolling and abuse is allowed here? And when someone uses civilized words to criticize a particular school/branch, you spring into action and start giving warnings? If people can't listen to civilized criticism of views they hold dear, then they must not be in a forum.

Let me put this straight: forums do need people, but people may need a forum. I have no interest in arguing with moderators partial towards some audience and doing unnecessary moderation. If this doesn't make you happy, feel free to do whatever actions you deem fit.

"Would you care to argue why trolling and abuse is allowed here?"
"I have no interest in arguing with moderators..."

If you have no interest in arguing, it may help to refrain from inviting someone to argue their points. 

I've never claimed to be perfect in anything I do, especially forum moderation.  Are there some things that get overlooked from time to time? Absolutely.  The fact of the matter is, I don't have time to comb through every word that is written here.  I saw your post and addressed it, it's as simple as that.

Again, if you don't like what is taking place at this forum, the exit is freely available.  You've been here for almost six months now, made 157 posts, and this is the first time there has been an issue.  With that being the case, your presence and contribution here is welcome, I just needed that one point of discussion to be toned down.

 


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