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Offline The Artis Magistra

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Re: Modern Buddhism is unpleasant
« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2017, 12:17:49 am »
Buddhism is a religion due to its beliefs, e.g. belief in karma and re-birth.

Buddhism is a religion to you because of your superstitious interpretations (beliefs) of karma and "re-birth".  :listen:
I do not superstitiously interpret 'karma' and 're-birth' but buddhism uses these expressions without there being the slightest need to use them and without making explicitly clear that they are to be understood as metaphors only.

But what if they are not merely metaphors?  What if Karma and Rebirth are really a thing?  Like karma does drive everything to rebirth.
Inappropriate questions. Why? What cannot be directly perceived in any place at any time is to be considered as inexistent and to be mere speculation. The scientific approach that is applicable to buddhism too does rely on direct perception only and rejects speculation.


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You have no idea about direct perception or what is valid.  Those are just words you flail about with.

I can validly say that if you throw a stone it will - sooner or later - fall to the ground. Would you deny that this is valid knowledge based on direct perception?

I would say that if you throw a stone, anything could happen, but whatever happens would require a means for such to occur in some sense even if it differs from what you expect that moment or the "normal" things you think "should happen, in that particular dream with that particular dreams logic or explanation.

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Re: Modern Buddhism is unpleasant
« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2017, 12:50:06 am »
It's common knowledge that the Pali canon wasn't written down until about 500 years after the Buddha died.  proior to that the Dharma was transmitted from teacher to student.

This was the "original Buddhism" some people rave about but fail to recognize.  If we went back to the opriginal, they wouldn't have the scriptures to beat people over the head with.

You have no idea about direct perception or what is valid.  Those are just words you flail about with.

Hundreds, maybe thousands, of dedicated realised practitioners honor the Pali suttas but you trash them. They are honored because they have been verified. Therefore, your denial shows you have not verified them.

In other words, your idle chatter gives the impression of direct perception that:

1. Attachment to the five aggregates is happiness.

2. Craving & becoming does not give rise to suffering.

3. The ending of craving is not the end of suffering.

4. The 8 fold path does not end suffering.

5. All conditioned things are permanent; capable of bringing lasting happiness; & are self & belong to self.

 ;D

That's not how I feel at all, but here you go, getting all attack dog on us with the Dharma.

What do you suppose people were doing about it before there was a Pali canon to arm themselves with, pointed sticks?
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Re: Modern Buddhism is unpleasant
« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2017, 01:14:00 am »
It is an excellent question I hope everyone can try to answer and hopefully share here. My version of Buddhism is also well researched and backed up even though I don't try to spam people with quotes or whatever because I think that isn't the point that is important to make. Religions or Ideologies tend to follow the same patterns repeatedly and the best way in my opinion is to leave them opened, accessible, and free for all people to benefit from as easily as possible in what ways they may. Everything else becomes some sort of terrorism, and kids get messed up, and great harm is spread and generated with all sorts of messed up things happening. A good teacher is opened, transparent, and does not try to trap or constrain people into cliques, but is only a ln advisor with good counsel for all, nothing to hide, nothing to lose, nothing to gain, naked in their example and righteously good and demonstrably beneficial words and techniques, monkeys helping monkeys learn about sticks and inspiring new technologies and practices and ideas. No abuse, no hiding, no being freaks, normal happy people out in the light with good intentions for all to see.

The Buddha is dead, the True Buddha is alive. Do not fall for Indian Cultism Hierarchies of Hidden Abuses (of all sorts), Free Goodness for the Prosperity of Mankind, let the flood gates open where no risk needs to be taken at all.

 


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