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Title: On Dhamma-trade, Juwel/Gems-industry and you possibility to take not part
Post by: Samana Johann on September 12, 2017, 06:48:16 am
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Genuine spiritual teachings
cannot be separated
from the manner in which they are given.

True Dhamma is like friendship: if you are being charged for it,
you already know you are not getting the real thing.

...

Buying Dhamma, taking ungiven, stealing, and so on, is like seeking for a heart of gold and then try impatiently, not willing of real sacrifies, satisfy one self just in redlight districts, prostitution, or abuse. Even it might satisfy shortly, it will hardly ever become ever a real, intimate and fruitful relation.

Is that what you seek for, all you can, could effort?
Certainly not, or?


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"In four ways, young householder, should one who appropriates be understood as a foe in the guise of a friend:

(i) he appropriates his friend's wealth,
(ii) he gives little and asks much,
(iii) he does his duty out of fear,
(iv) he associates for his own advantage.

"In four ways, young householder, should one who renders lip-service be understood as a foe in the guise of a friend:

(i) he makes friendly profession as regards the past,
(ii) he makes friendly profession as regards the future,
(iii) he tries to gain one's favor by empty words,
(iv) when opportunity for service has arisen, he expresses his inability.

"These four, young householder, should be understood as warm-hearted friends:


(1) he who is a helpmate,
(2) he who is the same in happiness and sorrow,
(3) he who gives good counsel,
(4) he who sympathises.

"In four ways, young householder, should a helpmate be understood as a warm-hearted friend:

(i) he guards the heedless,
(ii) he protects the wealth of the heedless,
(iii) he becomes a refuge when you are in danger,
(iv) when there are commitments he provides you with double the
supply needed.

Sigalovada Sutta: The Discourse to Sigala ([url]http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/dn/dn.31.0.nara_en.html[/url])
Title: Re: On Dhamma-trade, Juwel/Gems-industry and you possibility to take not part
Post by: IdleChater on September 12, 2017, 04:17:18 pm
Well that's just schtupid. 

To say that Dharma that you pay for is somehow bad or not the real things is simply ridiculous.  The centers where teachings are given have rent and utilities to pay.  Teachers need to be supported.  All that good stuff.  None of it is free.  The money has to come from somewhere.

There is a long tradition of students supporting their teachers by providing food, shelter. clothing and sundry expenses.

Monastics who teach and minister to the sangha must be supported whether it be through alms or other gifting - all things of some value - money, food, etc.

People do this out of kindness and a tradition the merit aquired though the alms they give.

If all that giving results in something that isn't the real thng, then the alms that have supported monks for centries will go away, and having no other means of support they will starve.

Perhaps you, too.


Title: Re: On Dhamma-trade, Juwel/Gems-industry and you possibility to take not part
Post by: Samana Johann on September 12, 2017, 08:00:57 pm
It's normal that people trade or buy in red-light districts, or used to obtain the like joy they can gain by low means... impatiend, greedy... defend there case. Why? Because they don't know and that it is all they can effort not having saddha (conviction) into cause and effect. If good things would be trace-able for them, blameworthy as blameworthy, praiseworthy as praiseworthy, gifts and sacrify seen... how would the ever say skillful is stupid and justify lack of capability, stinginess and greed?

One gets what he gives: trader and consumer are bound to each other, like the pig raiser and the pig. Thats their world they chose and tend to... yet there are ways to get free of debts which bind.

There focus on fruits letthem not much think about way and means.

Pig raiser and pigs never starve, not interested to abound desire for food and takingjust food that is given, so totally yes, they will stay, long, long time...

If there would be no tendency to starve tanha, why would on practice for it?

But, just to be clear, a generouse person, given to give, never lacks either on the four necessarities nor on Dhamma, will it is greed that makes being stay in the circle become more and more poor in all relations. There you are.
Title: Re: On Dhamma-trade, Juwel/Gems-industry and you possibility to take not part
Post by: Samana Johann on September 12, 2017, 08:50:28 pm
Well that's just stupid. 

There is a long tradition of students supporting their teachers by providing food, shelter. clothing and sundry expenses.


Not in the tradition of the Noble Ones, Buddha and his disciples. Actually there are may rules which cut that to corruption leading trade.

That's introduced on the way of corrupt Dhamma, corrupt means and corrupt livelihood.

If interested in the livelihood of the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha, this two essays might open and understanding, understanding also why Dhamma will never more find a foothold in the modern world, totally corrupted people by their corrupt leaders and brahmans and vivi versa.

Thats why you buy abuse, scandals... with it, and wonder..

 (http://The Economy of Gifts) and No Strings Attached-The Buddha's Culture of Generosity (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/authors/thanissaro/nostringsattached_en.html) (Note: althought it's already good explained, since the author has not abounded all and still is caught in slight trade, althought outstanding in this world and praiseworthy, it's not finally poor. For this you would need to approch Maha Kassapa, those who really do and not only teach, having still certain "compassion" over wisdom and clearency)
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