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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2017, 10:13:20 pm »
While certain Buddhist doctrines and practices might seem like prayer or worship of a theistic god, that’s usually how it appears on the surface level, rather than on the ultimate level of truth:

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In studying and speaking the Dharma, we especially need to be aware of the conventional (or worldly or cultural) level and the ultimate (param’attha) or spiritual or Dharma) level of teaching. The conventional language is only useful and wholesome when they point, even remotely, to the true Dharma. And at the proper time, this reference should be clarified to the follower or practitioner. The point is that the spiritual should in due course transcend the worldly and cultural.
1.2 The Neyy’attha Nīt’attha Sutta (A 2.3.5-6) records an important reminder by the Buddha on how we should approach every sutta and text, that is, we must carefully consider whether the language is conventional (based on everyday language describing causes and conditions) or ultimate (that is, Dharma language, pointing to the fact that things have no intrinsic nature or abiding essence).
Those suttas or teachings that tell stories, describe ritual acts, or that talk of “beings,” “gods,” etc, need to have their meaning drawn out (neyy’attha), as they do not directly refer to true reality. They use language and words in the form of a story or images to talk about true reality. Their meaning is indirect.
They are provisional (pariyāya) teachings, unlike say some Abhidhamma doctrines, which are said to be explicit (nippariyāyena).1
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While it might appear, for example, that Tibetan Buddhists pray to Avalokitesvara for worldly blessings, the deeper goal of such prayer is to cultivate Avalokitesvara’s enlightened qualities within oneself.

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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2017, 05:15:03 am »
While it might appear, for example, that Tibetan Buddhists pray to Avalokitesvara for worldly blessings, the deeper goal of such prayer is to cultivate Avalokitesvara’s enlightened qualities within oneself.

I think that's right, though when I was involved in Tibetan Buddhism a lot of people believed these were real entities, "out there".

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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2017, 06:26:48 am »
While it might appear, for example, that Tibetan Buddhists pray to Avalokitesvara for worldly blessings, the deeper goal of such prayer is to cultivate Avalokitesvara’s enlightened qualities within oneself.

I think that's right, though when I was involved in Tibetan Buddhism a lot of people believed these were real entities, "out there".

This seems to be a product of western distributed doctrine. To see the practice, is it possible to compare chanting "Om" with simply slowing down the breathing? At least as a beginning cultivating practice, when the word is meditated upon we see breathing as an alternative to mindless thinking. Add more words and it becomes a symphony of practical means to expand one's own clarity.

So the difference between practice and faith that seem for some to intertwine is that the goal of one's own practice can produce faith, while faith to depend on a deity or a God is completely irrelevant to a practice of a life-style.

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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2017, 03:25:45 pm »
While it might appear, for example, that Tibetan Buddhists pray to Avalokitesvara for worldly blessings, the deeper goal of such prayer is to cultivate Avalokitesvara’s enlightened qualities within oneself.

I think that's right, though when I was involved in Tibetan Buddhism a lot of people believed these were real entities, "out there".

There's nothing wrong with that, as long as it's not for the purpose of being granted wordly blessings.

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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2017, 08:24:07 pm »
While it might appear, for example, that Tibetan Buddhists pray to Avalokitesvara for worldly blessings, the deeper goal of such prayer is to cultivate Avalokitesvara’s enlightened qualities within oneself.

I think that's right, though when I was involved in Tibetan Buddhism a lot of people believed these were real entities, "out there".

On the other hand many theravadins believe that the figure in the suttas is real.

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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #65 on: September 15, 2017, 09:29:36 pm »
While it might appear, for example, that Tibetan Buddhists pray to Avalokitesvara for worldly blessings, the deeper goal of such prayer is to cultivate Avalokitesvara’s enlightened qualities within oneself.

I think that's right, though when I was involved in Tibetan Buddhism a lot of people believed these were real entities, "out there".

On the other hand many theravadins believe that the figure in the suttas is real.

From the Mahayana perspective there seems to be various radiant experiences within the workings of a mind that are interesting to note.
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Re: Do Buddhists Believe in God?
« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2017, 10:21:51 pm »
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