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Re: Online Buddhas
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2009, 07:47:28 am »
*note: this post is not about anyone I know*

After spending this year stumbling around the online Buddhist forum scene, I have found an extraordinary number of completely enlightened people who apparently have perfect equinimity throughout there existence at all times and are omnicient founts of wisdom.    why is that?     :P


Because you yourself have achieved high realization.

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I hope your being sarcastic....         Oh. I get it.  if one is truly awake, one sees the awakened nature of all?

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2009, 08:02:14 am »
There is at least one person in this thread who said that they engaged in Buddhist forums for "guidance" among other things.  As long as someone is looking to be led, people will popup willing to lead them.  Whether they are qualified to undertake this leadership position is open to debate, but it shouldn't be suprising that they materialise.  On the internet is is definitely buyer-beware, so to speak.  I'd urge anyone interested in learning about Buddhism to pick up a book, even the Zen folks, by a recognized teacher like HHDL, Thich Nhat Hanh, the recently deceased Sheng Yen, or others before taking advice from anyone on the internet.  Finding a face to face teacher is very difficult for some folks, but I think that reading genuine Buddhist teachings from a book is preferable to taking the word of some self-styled forum guru.

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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 12:08:54 pm »
There is at least one person in this thread who said that they engaged in Buddhist forums for "guidance" among other things.  As long as someone is looking to be led, people will popup willing to lead them.  Whether they are qualified to undertake this leadership position is open to debate, but it shouldn't be suprising that they materialise.  On the internet is is definitely buyer-beware, so to speak.  I'd urge anyone interested in learning about Buddhism to pick up a book, even the Zen folks, by a recognized teacher like HHDL, Thich Nhat Hanh, the recently deceased Sheng Yen, or others before taking advice from anyone on the internet.  Finding a face to face teacher is very difficult for some folks, but I think that reading genuine Buddhist teachings from a book is preferable to taking the word of some self-styled forum guru.

I have to agree with lowonthetotem (great handle btw).

If someone is looking for guidance on the Path, then online forums are probably the worst place to go looking.  Better, I think, to find a real, live guru - the spiritual friend described by Paltrul Rinpoche.

We can engage in idle chit-chat on forums like this all day long, but this won't have anywhere near the benefit of a spiritual friend/guru.

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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2009, 01:29:52 pm »

In the Korean Zen tradition there is emphasis on  "sudden awakening-gradual cultivation"  In other words you have, through intensive practice, retreats and so forth under the guidance of a teacher, an initial awakening to "true nature" confirmed by the teacher. But you are stll a shlump who is acting out of your habit energy. You have awakened, but are not enlightened.  So you have to do the grunt work.  I'm guessing that much of what we see online is the genuine energy and insight of sudden awakening, without the maturity of long practice.  I am still coming to terms with my basic shlumpyness. Its a good thing.   


This is great stuff ty :)

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Your Average Basic Schlump.

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Re: Online Buddhas
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2009, 01:34:01 pm »

We can engage in idle chit-chat on forums like this all day long, but this won't have anywhere near the benefit of a spiritual friend/guru.

or even a few minutes of sincere practice or for that matter cutting your toenails.

Lets face it, these forums are at best a few percent signal to a predominance of noise and are mostly congested with people playing buddhist king of the hill.

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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2009, 02:31:29 pm »

We can engage in idle chit-chat on forums like this all day long, but this won't have anywhere near the benefit of a spiritual friend/guru.

or even a few minutes of sincere practice or for that matter cutting your toenails.

Lets face it, these forums are at best a few percent signal to a predominance of noise and are mostly congested with people playing buddhist king of the hill.

Well said!

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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2009, 02:33:42 pm »
I thought :P was sarcasm?   Maybe this :-* is more sarcastic?.   Someone aughta come up with a sarcasm emoticon thingy. It would save so many threads from turning into smackdowns.   


In the Korean Zen tradition there is emphasis on  "sudden awakening-gradual cultivation"  In other words you have, through intensive practice, retreats and so forth under the guidance of a teacher, an initial awakening to "true nature" confirmed by the teacher. But you are stll a shlump who is acting out of your habit energy. You have awakened, but are not enlightened.  So you have to do the grunt work.  I'm guessing that much of what we see online is the genuine energy and insight of sudden awakening, without the maturity of long practice.  I am still coming to terms with my basic shlumpyness. Its a good thing.   

..... This is ofcourse looking through a particular schools lens.

I'm doing smileys as we speak... looking for a sarcastic one... 
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Re: Online Buddhas
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2009, 07:19:52 pm »
There is at least one person in this thread who said that they engaged in Buddhist forums for "guidance" among other things.  As long as someone is looking to be led, people will popup willing to lead them.  Whether they are qualified to undertake this leadership position is open to debate, but it shouldn't be suprising that they materialise.  On the internet is is definitely buyer-beware, so to speak.  I'd urge anyone interested in learning about Buddhism to pick up a book, even the Zen folks, by a recognized teacher like HHDL, Thich Nhat Hanh, the recently deceased Sheng Yen, or others before taking advice from anyone on the internet.  Finding a face to face teacher is very difficult for some folks, but I think that reading genuine Buddhist teachings from a book is preferable to taking the word of some self-styled forum guru.

Yep, I agree. I might have misspoke, or was misunderstood. I'm a pretty discerning fellow; there are a few people on these on-line forums I really respect, there are a few I think are barking-mad crazy, and most are somewhere in-between. Having said that... I still get a lot of useful tidbits from these discussions. For example, in some of the forums there has been a discussion about alcohol consumption and the 5th precept. Hmmm... My teacher says to abstain, but then he is committed to a monastic lifestyle and does not find himself at many cocktail parties. I read through a wide range of opinions of how other lay people manage this, and it helped me to come to my own conclusions. But absolutely, legitimate teachers are important, real Sanghas are too. I'm just grateful to this accumulated lot for being available to answer some of my more practical questions from the perspective of our various traditions.

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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2009, 10:53:20 am »
i have found forums to be handy sources of information from time to time. Namdrol from E-sangha, Wrathful Manjushri and others were quite helpful and knowledgeable. Yes face time with the teacher is invaluable but a common ground to speak with like minded individuals online or otherwise can be very helpful.

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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2009, 01:08:52 am »
Now now, don't sell these forums short.  It can be frustrating to see people question dogma or to interact with people of conflicting dogmas, but working through the differences and looking for ways that  BOTH make sense, or why your way of thinking is better for you, can only help your understanding.  This is Buddhism, we are supposed to be skeptical and open-minded.  Getting sucked to deeply into any particular paradigm is dangerous, and can lead to myopia.  Places like this are a good opportunities for a reality check!

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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2009, 06:57:02 pm »

We can engage in idle chit-chat on forums like this all day long, but this won't have anywhere near the benefit of a spiritual friend/guru.

or even a few minutes of sincere practice or for that matter cutting your toenails.

Lets face it, these forums are at best a few percent signal to a predominance of noise and are mostly congested with people playing buddhist king of the hill.

If it wasn't for the forums, I may have never taken refuge and been encouraged to seek out a teacher.  Since finding an online community I've not only taken refuge, but I wouldn't be the practitioner I am today because I'd probably not have enough positive reinforcement from enough of a network to stick with it.  But so far, it's been a year of assiduous practice, even being a householder.

I guess we all get out of forums what we put into it.  I personally put a tremendous amount of effort and work into learning, I also feel like I've gained a great deal of perspective from what I've put in and a HUGE amount from what others have given me out of kindness in terms of tools, resources, etc.

I've seen a lot of bashing of the internet medium and honestly people, no offence, but if you feel no real gain from the forum, you can go find a sangha and the path that suits your needs.  No one's forcing you to interact with others in a forum setting.  If you don't like something, don't read it.  If it upsets you and you aren't able to contribute in a positive manner that follows the principles of the 8fold path, go find a method that works for you and leave the forums to those who get some of a lot out of it.  Like overmyhead said: Places like this are a good opportunities for a reality check!  Come on...  Seriously... this isn't a bad relationship you can't get out of... go find your bliss!

We'll all be happier.  :namaste:  
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Re: Online Buddhas
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2009, 07:33:07 pm »
The thing is we are here. So we are here for a reason.  I have sangha and community to practice with, yet still come here to talk with people.  This year, has been my intro to internet fora, and much has been learned from the experience.  First of all I learned that they are all very different. They each have their own culture and it isnt easy to find one your compatable with, where people are on the same wavelength. so its been a good thing.

So Ogyen... who are you inviting to leave?

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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2009, 07:47:03 pm »
The thing is we are here. So we are here for a reason.  I have sangha and community to practice with, yet still come here to talk with people.  This year, has been my intro to internet fora, and much has been learned from the experience.  First of all I learned that they are all very different. They each have their own culture and it isnt easy to find one your compatable with, where people are on the same wavelength. so its been a good thing.

So Ogyen... who are you inviting to leave?

 :grouphug: 

I'm not inviting anyone in particular to leave.  I'm simply saying, if you don't like it, there are lots of other options!  The crap one brings with oneself is dragged onto everyone else if we're not conscientious of what we write on these forums.  Let's take for an example BC.  It could have been a nice place...  BUT someone very unhappy ruined it for everybody else.  Allz I'm saying is, if you don't like, why torture yourself and EVERYBODY else who interacts with your negativity when you could be using your time far more productively in actually... oh I don't know... practicing?  It's like any relationship, if it doesn't work, either practice and change yourself so that it does, or go hunting for one that works better for your pracitce.  There is place for everyone in this world, if something doesn't fit, don't keep trying to make it fit, go find something that does!    Just mah :twocents:

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Re: Online Buddhas
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2009, 07:53:48 pm »
Your a moderator here.  Whos negativity?    What form is this negativity taking? 

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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2009, 08:13:30 pm »
Your a moderator here.  Whos negativity?    What form is this negativity taking?  

 /:) It was more of a general idea than a specific instance.  The negativity can appear in any number of ways.  Sectarianism and the prejudices some carry towards other traditions are an example...  Anything that encourages division is negative because it's not constructive, it's destructive.  If you can take what's garbage(non-constructive energy) and compost it and give it lots of compassion and kindness to let it blossom into a flower... well... that is what I think most people could agree is skillful and constructive.  The negativity (non-constructive energy) is then a tool of transformation.  Allz I'm saying is the :chill:s are our friends...

You sure like to pick on me sir.     :help:
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