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Offline zencat999

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Quietism and Abuse
« on: March 11, 2018, 07:46:46 am »
Ever prevalent in today's media and society is the exposure of past abuses - examples include the 'Me Too' movement following the revelations about Harvey Weinstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_Too_movement) and the scores of grown men who have come forward and revealed the extent of the child sexual abuse committed by ex-Manchester City coach Barry Bennell (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/16/manchester-city-pep-guardiola-barry-bennell-abuse-scandal).  I can't help feeling a wellspring of joy and pride that those who were abused have finally come forward and revealed the abuses committed and the pervasive effects it has had on their whole lives. I'm aware that the practice of many counselors or psychologists is that their clients should talk over these things, write everything down, but 'not necessarily send this letter' to the former abuser.

Could the profession of psychology not be accused of helping to sweep such abuses under the carpet and therefore let the perpetrators off?

What about things which are less easy to prove in court such as prolonged verbal /emotional abuse or neglect?

Could Buddhism not be accused of 'quietism' in such matters by forwarding the belief that it's just 'karma' and the victim must have done something equally as bad in a previous life. How can a Buddhist be so sure of the workings of karma that they can believe this? Should we continue to fight for justice or just meditate our whole life away?

There is no peace without justice.

Offline Ron-the-Elder

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Re: Quietism and Abuse
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2018, 02:19:01 am »
Quietism is not surprising in Buddhist practice.  Buddha was not a proponent of punishment.  All that he asked was that the perpetrator "stop".  The most striking example of this teaching can be found in The Angulimala Sutta :dharma: :

source:  https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/hecker/wheel312.html
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Quietism and Abuse
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2018, 04:18:07 am »
Ever prevalent in today's media and society is the exposure of past abuses - examples include the 'Me Too' movement following the revelations about Harvey Weinstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_Too_movement) and the scores of grown men who have come forward and revealed the extent of the child sexual abuse committed by ex-Manchester City coach Barry Bennell (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/16/manchester-city-pep-guardiola-barry-bennell-abuse-scandal).  I can't help feeling a wellspring of joy and pride that those who were abused have finally come forward and revealed the abuses committed and the pervasive effects it has had on their whole lives. I'm aware that the practice of many counselors or psychologists is that their clients should talk over these things, write everything down, but 'not necessarily send this letter' to the former abuser.

Could the profession of psychology not be accused of helping to sweep such abuses under the carpet and therefore let the perpetrators off?

What about things which are less easy to prove in court such as prolonged verbal /emotional abuse or neglect?

Could Buddhism not be accused of 'quietism' in such matters by forwarding the belief that it's just 'karma' and the victim must have done something equally as bad in a previous life. How can a Buddhist be so sure of the workings of karma that they can believe this? Should we continue to fight for justice or just meditate our whole life away?

There is no peace without justice.
The worldly education system focus on economy, materialism and earth per se,  rather than the conditioning factors of mutual good humanity of loving and peace, past and future lifespan. Thus it can never completely eradicate the current and future abusers from surfacing to create problem to all walks of life. Without religions, humans are only good for eat, shit, sleep and work to make good the eat, shit, sleep, and earth will one day gone when Sun dies.


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