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Re: Does mindfulness imply mindlessness
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2017, 02:15:17 am »
I would recommend mind's emptiness of everything and nothing.

"Everything and nothing"?  What does that mean, practically speaking?  Do you mean thoughts, feelings etc are nothing?  Or what, exactly?

'Everything' is affirmation of that which is compounded of many somethings and 'nothing' is the negation of everything.

Natural mind is empty of everything and nothing from the outset.

Sorry, too cryptic for me.  Do you mean not holding views, not affirming or negating?

What do you expect? Do you expect me to introduce you to the nature of mind by means of chatter?

No, just to explain clearly what you mean in an intelligible way - not too much to ask, I hope?  If you have some real insight you should be able to articulate it.

I do not share your beliefs so there is no common ground for communication about this topic.

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Re: Does mindfulness imply mindlessness
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2017, 08:03:09 am »
I would recommend mind's emptiness of everything and nothing.

"Everything and nothing"?  What does that mean, practically speaking?  Do you mean thoughts, feelings etc are nothing?  Or what, exactly?

'Everything' is affirmation of that which is compounded of many somethings and 'nothing' is the negation of everything.

Natural mind is empty of everything and nothing from the outset.

Sorry, too cryptic for me.  Do you mean not holding views, not affirming or negating?

What do you expect? Do you expect me to introduce you to the nature of mind by means of chatter?

No, just to explain clearly what you mean in an intelligible way - not too much to ask, I hope?  If you have some real insight you should be able to articulate it.

I do not share your beliefs so there is no common ground for communication about this topic.

It's nothing to do with beliefs, I was simply asking you to explain yourself more clearly and to be less cryptic.  It is a discussion forum after all. 

And what exactly do you mean by "natural mind"?  A brief definition would be helpful.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2017, 08:20:22 am by Spiny Norman »

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Re: Does mindfulness imply mindlessness
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2017, 09:45:33 pm »
It's nothing to do with beliefs, I was simply asking you to explain yourself more clearly and to be less cryptic.  It is a discussion forum after all. 

And what exactly do you mean by "natural mind"?  A brief definition would be helpful.

you wrote "explain clearly what you mean in an intelligible way" and "If you have some real insight you should be able to articulate it." and these are expressions of belief:
1. Belief that my expression "mind's emptiness of everything and nothing" is an intelligible object.
2. Belief that what I have authentically expressed can be amended to match your conditioned outloook without being changed into something expressing what is not intended to be expressed
3. Belief that 'real insight' exists.
4. Belief that such alleged 'real insight' could be expressed with words to make it intelligible.

It is a discussion forum after all. 
We are discussing, aren't we?

And what exactly do you mean by "natural mind"?  A brief definition would be helpful.
The 'nature of mind' is 'natural mind' is 'original mind'. It is that which is empty of everything and nothing.

However the expression 'mind' is just one of several possiblities to comply with conventional language because linguistically a noun is needed to impute emptiness of everything and nothing to. So actually 'mind' is to be taken as metaphor.
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Re: Does mindfulness imply mindlessness
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2017, 10:48:20 pm »
Tatsächlich? (Actually?)
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Re: Does mindfulness imply mindlessness
« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2017, 05:11:57 am »
Tatsächlich? (Actually?)

Well, anyway.  I find mindfulness a fascinating hobby because it makes life so much more interesting:teehee:

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Re: Does mindfulness imply mindlessness
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2017, 05:53:51 am »
Tatsächlich? (Actually?)

Well, anyway.  I find mindfulness a fascinating hobby because it makes life so much more interesting:teehee:

Mindfulness seem to alter the attitude towards habitual responses, but since habitual responses sort of goes along with conditionality we find mindlessness in conditions that entertain previous habitual imprints, and we might lose ourselves to them again. Mostly because we are conditioned to hold on to feelings as if they belong with conviction and belief.

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Re: Does mindfulness imply mindlessness
« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2017, 01:37:35 pm »
My impression of "the original mind" gave me an instinct to practice in a more metta-directed orientation.
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Re: Does mindfulness imply mindlessness
« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2017, 02:36:46 am »
I think it does.

So anyway.  I am still curious about what the OP meant by "mindlessness".

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Re: Does mindfulness imply mindlessness
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2017, 08:42:55 am »
My impression of "the original mind" gave me an instinct to practice in a more metta-directed orientation.

Hi Solodris,

You could practice both.

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