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Re: Rebirth and the self.
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2017, 08:20:11 am »
Than go after traditions and cultures. Also no problem for the Buddha and his disciples and hope that they have been wise (or the media industry). So maybe you call youself just "German" or "Modern" or what ever your tradition of thinking by birth is, so that others do not get conventional confused.

Beware that you saññā (rememberence, perception - modern) does not get "unnatural" interupted, you might have problems if remembering your old ideas and come to mind next dogs again.
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Re: Rebirth and the self.
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2017, 08:22:50 am »
So let how ever try a little...

What is the direct vicible perception between the body 20 years ago and now?
It is the body's changes being continually witnessed by one's own direct perception and the direct perception of others. This validly establishes the continuum of the body.

Where is a single connection that Ground assumes it to be the self and is not reborn?
1. I am not talking about the self but I am talking about the person that I am.
2. what is not asserted to exist does not need proof. I do not assert non-metaphorical rebirth.
It would be up to those who assert non-metaphorical rebirth to prove its existence. But since it cannot be proven there is no basis for assuming its existence.

Accepting 'rebirth' to be a metaphorical expression does not negate buddhist teachings at all. But of course everyone is free to believe in non-metaphorical rebirth nevertheless.

So buddhism has something for both, believers and non-believers.
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Re: Rebirth and the self.
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2017, 08:40:59 am »
If ground likes to perceive the Dhamma for himself he has already read enough times how to do. Of course he can follow also his ideas, hope and believe in it further. Up to him.
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Re: Rebirth and the self.
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2017, 09:51:53 am »
As told in you "original" rebirth topic of your today's ideas. If that counts as direct perceived that ones persons perception "I was a hungry ghost in last life" is as valid as well. So what is between you (a living being) now and ... now?
It is simply not general perception in humans and - more serious - it is not independent of religious belief. That is why the perception "I was a hungry ghost in last life" is not valid. Also how could it be a direct perception? It would be impossible to directly perceive oneself in another life as another person.

Likewise, why put faith in memory?

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Re: Rebirth and the self.
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2017, 05:20:38 pm »
Yes, let's stay here, where you assume you memory, perception, to be yours. Here the prove of rebirth can be made, and once seen, you will also see that it is not the first body (what you perceive as permanent as base of self next the other 4 aggreggates) and earlier lifes as well.

Here is the place to make the possible prove, the path is given, now it "just" takes you effort to see for yourself, to directly perceive the Dhamma, and the ending of birth and decay like the Buddha and all his Arahats did for a real valid awakening. Sammasambuddho.

Try to trace you, try to see you birth, your name, the food... how you died beginning with your current bodily birth. The many times. Watch out the graps and fill them.

Obsere that, trace that, with proper attention, yoniso manasikhara, meaning do not grasphold on any khandha but try to stay only on the process of nama-rupa comming into being and decay and the "mystic" of direct/no direct sign of connetion. Once your observation get's the faith that the Buddha is right, don't stop there. You have not perceive it for your self yet. Stop playing around and bind your self to the battle, to a retreat (doing vipassana, perceive for you self), that you have seen it for your self.

Then, having seen, you will see that all this philosophies, ideas, great thinker are no match for one who really knows and sees. Yes, it requires a lot of faith and the path, but is maybe possible even for ground. Do it, stop playing, you next birth might be not so auspicious.

There is the chance that Ground will be another (monk) loser and runs then around from forum to forum, like Element and many others, telling that there is no fire in this way, the medicine does not cure, but more loser are those who just talk, never went into the battle.
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Re: Rebirth and the self.
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2017, 09:22:59 pm »
There is the chance that Ground will be another (monk) loser and runs then around from forum to forum, like Element and many others, telling that there is no fire in this way, the medicine does not cure, but more loser are those who just talk, never went into the battle.
I am authentically expressing my liberation. However since words are empty of meaning from the outset but meaning has to be sythesized by conditioned minds it is likely that what I express is not what people understand.
I can only appeal to people to not worry about me but care about themselves and their way only. Liberation is not attained through speculating about other persons.

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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2017, 09:31:23 pm »
There is the chance that Ground will be another (monk) loser and runs then around from forum to forum, like Element and many others, telling that there is no fire in this way, the medicine does not cure, but more loser are those who just talk, never went into the battle.
I am authentically expressing my liberation. However since words are empty of meaning from the outset but meaning has to be sythesized by conditioned minds it is likely that what I express is not what people understand.
I can only appeal to people to not worry about me but care about themselves and their way only. Liberation is not attained through speculating about other persons.

I want to know this liberation of yours and liberation in general, can you please give a clear and well-written methodology and explanation so that I may too achieve it or test it?

I especially like your Liberation because you seem to not have gone poof, but appear to continue to operate and exist, but the aspect I don't like too much about your Liberation is if you feel compelled at all to write about online instead of doing other things. It is of benefit to me though that you do write about it, and hopefully wish give it to me, but is it of benefit to you? I don't want my Liberation to mean addiction to talking to anyone, because I can't say I really enjoy any of these interactions at all, mainly only what I myself write which is often triggered by other people and such interactions (just like eating and pooping, and not being so fond of chewing maybe or acquiring the food or preparing it).

Can you describe this liberation? Do you not get agitated and angry? I get agitated and angry, like when I see people being mean, I don't wish them well really, I just feel sad that people are so annoying and cruel, if they were to just be gone, I might be a little pleased even.

I look forward to your thorough and clear and concise reply, and that of anyone else, expressed fully, as a nice free gift to me, for I have now reached 300 posts again (I reached 300 before but had a great deal of writing deleted).

Thank you for all your effort and mercy.

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Re: Rebirth and the self.
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2017, 10:06:20 pm »
There is the chance that Ground will be another (monk) loser and runs then around from forum to forum, like Element and many others, telling that there is no fire in this way, the medicine does not cure, but more loser are those who just talk, never went into the battle.

I am authentically expressing my liberation. However since words are empty of meaning from the outset but meaning has to be sythesized by conditioned minds it is likely that what I express is not what people understand.
I can only appeal to people to not worry about me but care about themselves and their way only. Liberation is not attained through speculating about other persons.

Now the words are empty again, just forgetting vipaka... and you beg for convention so that others might understand you. How sad. ... and as authentic as the aggregats are...
How ever general good attitude if it would not be demanting, not to ask why in such a case you disturb others in their path and that not a little, telling that you are enlightened and know the truth, yet misinterprating Buddha Dhamma Sangha for you cheap food to sustain.

Libetation is also not gained by what ever ideas and excuses around ones incapability.

You never practiced and you never look for your self but even like to claim to be wiser then the Buddha from birth to birth. That is what everybody can see: a fighting hungry being.
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Re: Rebirth and the self.
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2017, 06:01:17 pm »
This thread is about experiencing after the death of this body or end of this life.

Can you each please state what you believe?

Do you believe in experiencing again after death being a possibility or not?

There are only two options. You either do not believe in any experience possible after this life ends or the experience ceases with bodily death, or you believe that non-experience can not be experienced and you will likely experience again one way or another.

Option two, then leads to various nitty gritty versions of that, some based in ethical or moral judgments and results others not.

Frequent posters francis, VisuddhiRaptor, ground, and Rahul all appear to deny any life or experience or experienced consequences after death.

Frequent posters Spiny Norman, IdleChater, meez, and others appear open to the idea at the very least.

Frequent posters The Artis Magistra and Samana Johann appear to fully and directly be suggesting experience after death as a reality to be concerned about.

The Artis Magistra suggests there should be real concern regarding deeds and karmic governance or ordering and results.

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2017, 08:01:17 pm »
This thread is about experiencing after the death of this body or end of this life.

Can you each please state what you believe?

Do you believe in experiencing again after death being a possibility or not?

There are only two options. You either do not believe in any experience possible after this life ends or the experience ceases with bodily death, or you believe that non-experience can not be experienced and you will likely experience again one way or another.

Option two, then leads to various nitty gritty versions of that, some based in ethical or moral judgments and results others not.

Frequent posters francis, VisuddhiRaptor, ground, and Rahul all appear to deny any life or experience or experienced consequences after death.

Frequent posters Spiny Norman, IdleChater, meez, and others appear open to the idea at the very least.

Frequent posters The Artis Magistra and Samana Johann appear to fully and directly be suggesting experience after death as a reality to be concerned about.

The Artis Magistra suggests there should be real concern regarding deeds and karmic governance or ordering and results.

The Artis Magistra,

It's not cool to single out and name people who you think disagree with you (or agree with you for that matter). Not only are you making assumptions about their views, it's also a form of harassment!

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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2017, 09:27:25 pm »
This thread is about experiencing after the death of this body or end of this life.

Can you each please state what you believe?

Do you believe in experiencing again after death being a possibility or not?

There are only two options. You either do not believe in any experience possible after this life ends or the experience ceases with bodily death, or you believe that non-experience can not be experienced and you will likely experience again one way or another.

Option two, then leads to various nitty gritty versions of that, some based in ethical or moral judgments and results others not.

Frequent posters francis, VisuddhiRaptor, ground, and Rahul all appear to deny any life or experience or experienced consequences after death.

Frequent posters Spiny Norman, IdleChater, meez, and others appear open to the idea at the very least.

Frequent posters The Artis Magistra and Samana Johann appear to fully and directly be suggesting experience after death as a reality to be concerned about.

The Artis Magistra suggests there should be real concern regarding deeds and karmic governance or ordering and results.

The Artis Magistra,

It's not cool to single out and name people who you think disagree with you (or agree with you for that matter). Not only are you making assumptions about their views, it's also a form of harassment!

 :no:

Feel free to correct if you believe otherwise, you are frequent public posters and this is what I've understood from your writing and affiliations, if it is not right in some way, simply correct me and tell me how you do believe in continued experiencing after death or whatever if you're not like VisuddhiRaptor, Rahul, or ground and others of that sort of philosophy.

It is not intended to be harassment, your posts are available online for the whole world to see as are mine. I'm not even saying "look at this piece of trash francis who has stupid false ideas" which is what people, including you, have appeared to imply regarding me and my writing. No, you are not being harassed and are exaggerating, in some kind of ploy to try to get me in trouble? What is wrong with you? Can't you just discuss things like a normal, peaceful person without resorting to trickery or attempts at making accusations like this? It seems wicked, but what do you care? You get the same if you're wicked or a saint, right? If not right, then correct the matter and say "no, the wicked man and the saint don't end up in the same end state of death forever". Tell me how it is please.

It is intended to broadcast and make clear to visitors on this website, what each of us who are dominant speakers on this website, think and believe and promote.

I'd like each member to fully and explicitly state their ideas and beliefs and philosophies in detail. Most people on here seem to prefer to simply say very little about Buddhism except "Whatever The Artis Magistra says or thinks is Not Buddhism in Any sense". Ok, that is a fine start, but I'd like some more information about your particular ideas regarding everything.

What we've been able to pick up by your support of VisuddhiRaptor and other statements you made, is that you're likely one as I've described. If you aren't, simply clarify, rather than making accusations of "harassment", while I've been openly ridiculed and harassed on this website and other websites, and furthermore have spoken out against people like VisuddhiRaptor going around and harassing visitors and various people and using very harsh techniques with them like laughing emoticons and making people feel rather terrible.

So francis (are you a 60 year old man?), just talk to me, don't use tricks. If I use tricks, its on accident, I am trying to be clear cut with you, honest, totally real with you.

Here are some points recently being made on this website:

- According to some people who associate with Buddhism for some reason, there is no such thing as continued experience after bodily death.

- According to some people on this website, Buddhism was inclusive of many different ideas and philosophies and descriptions, some which sound suspiciously theistic. This is historical, but it may not be what Siddhartha Gautama intended, based on writings attributed to his followers meant to describe his acts or teachings written some 5 centuries after his Earthly demise.

- According to some people on this website, Karma or Kamma does not refer to a "good deeds and bad deeds rule system which gets good results or bad results in life and after life potentially" but either doesn't exist or means something entirely different from that which deprives it of that notion which was common in widespread cultural Buddhist influenced areas historically.

Now furthermore, I am being bothered by a bunch of people, including yourself, regarding things I've said on this website. Some of the things people are bothering me about, might include my following ideas:

- One may be put in danger by putting faith into teachers or gurus or overly admiring or becoming worshipful of them, as there have been many abuses and there are problems with such a mentality.

- The Dharma is free for all to benefit from and understand, the materials are also widely available, and reality itself is the first and most important material which one can study to understand the Dharma or Truth. It does not require a guru.

- The Dharma existed before the historical Buddha, even according to the records of the historical Buddha, but obviously as well since the Truth is older than Siddhartha Gautama and existed before his supposed birth and enlightenment. The Buddha thus did not "invent Buddhism", it pre-existed him and was present even when he was growing up and available to all.

- Becoming a Monk is not a requirement for potential enlightenment or achievement.

- The goal is not "Death Forever" but Perpetual Serenity and Freedom from Anxiety, it is Experiential, not being "Dead Forever".

- There is no point or great deep benefit in the teaching that "Everyone simply dies forever", even if that is true, it is a dangerous idea that can lead to great unpleasantness and uninhibited evil conduct that makes life like a hell.

- There is a Supreme Power in some forms of Buddhist thought, generally which can be traced back to the area of North West India (Now Pakistan) such as in Gandhara and coming out of Gandhara, which spread to Tang China, and Heian Japan as some examples. The Supreme Power is ultimately Imageless and Pure but running through and ordering all experience and is the "Lord" of the system and is also what is experiencing our experiences as well or aware of all that it is generating and organizing. This Power can be prayed to and can perform miracles or assist people in experiencing amazing and miraculous things. I have personally experienced wonderful things as well, and there are many reports from others, if they are lying or not, it is not known to me, except that in knowing this power, practically any sort of experience is within the range of being possible with it as the means. Such a power is known at times as the Dharma-Kaya, the True Form, it is literally Like Nothing, but it is not true Nothing, which can not do anything.

- Anyone can pray to and access and start studying reality and this power and begin introducing an increasingly mystical and magical outlook to their life, it is within the capacity of anyone to achieve and start doing good and accelerating towards benefit in this life in experiential ways, and after this life, in experiential ways (potentially).

- The Form of Buddhism I espouse does not come bearing "qualifications, degrees, initiations, belts, badges" so as to intimidate and frighten people with an apparently "hard road ahead of years of training or practice", but rather in a very open and friendly way tells people that anyone can start utilizing Buddhist thought and practice to their benefit immediately as best as they are able, not requiring anything except decency, sensitivity, alertness, and other good qualities, taking whatever material is available and turning it to good uses if possible and for benefit of oneself, ones loved ones, and the world at large where and when possible. There are many things which can act as obstructions to people or cause them to delay or struggle which are not necessary or important, plus the Dharma can not be "protected" nor does anyone "protect" it, it needs no defense, it will always emerge and re-emerge faithfully and one has nothing to fear regarding its loss.

- My Buddhism is a happy and relaxed Buddhism, it does not overly stress about too many things, and it makes it easy for all people to start to live happy lives and start doing good and better. It also does not lack anything, so one has everything, and can fully utilize any sort of framework to continue to operate in a "Buddhist fashion or manner". This is an unobstructed, un-delayed Buddhism, that urges people to immediately start working towards goodness and eschewing badness as much as possible, not overly fretting about where one is not able as one works to considerably and constantly monitor and improve. It is not "anything goes", and it is not "everything goes".

- It is important to listen to everything and everyone for potential benefit and use, and not to think that the vagabond on the street might not have anything which we can learn from or think about or benefit from potentially, or the cereal box has no wisdom, that is a wasteful mentality and also not compassionate or caring, it takes for granted everything. I do try to learn from the Atheistic people on this website, but that doesn't mean letting their ideas cause disruption, only to take what one can best use, or flip and turn to good, or any other method to make good use of whatever at all is experienced when possible. This is why it does not always teach a good lesson to "only listen to teachers" and not to just be generally attentive to everyone, who benefits you more, then they can be someone you try to get nice things from.

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Re: Rebirth and the self.
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2017, 04:03:29 am »
Feel free to correct if you believe otherwise, you are frequent public posters and this is what I've understood from your writing and affiliations, if it is not right in some way, simply correct me and tell me how you do believe in continued experiencing after death or whatever if you're not like VisuddhiRaptor, Rahul, or ground and others of that sort of philosophy.

I did, because it’s not appropriate to judge and name people who you think disagree with you (or agree with you for that matter) and make assumptions about their views. And stop conflating the issues.

It is not intended to be harassment, your posts are available online for the whole world to see as are mine. I'm not even saying "look at this piece of trash francis who has stupid false ideas" which is what people, including you, have appeared to imply regarding me and my writing. No, you are not being harassed and are exaggerating, in some kind of ploy to try to get me in trouble? What is wrong with you? Can't you just discuss things like a normal, peaceful person without resorting to trickery or attempts at making accusations like this? It seems wicked, but what do you care? You get the same if you're wicked or a saint, right? If not right, then correct the matter and say "no, the wicked man and the saint don't end up in the same end state of death forever". Tell me how it is please.

Ok, if it’s not intended, then develop some self-awareness.

It is intended to broadcast and make clear to visitors on this website, what each of us who are dominant speakers on this website, think and believe and promote.

Wow, that’s way beyond your pay grade. It also insults people because it assumes they can’t think for themselves.

I'd like each member to fully and explicitly state their ideas and beliefs and philosophies in detail. Most people on here seem to prefer to simply say very little about Buddhism except "Whatever The Artis Magistra says or thinks is Not Buddhism in Any sense". Ok, that is a fine start, but I'd like some more information about your particular ideas regarding everything.

What we've been able to pick up by your support of VisuddhiRaptor and other statements you made, is that you're likely one as I've described. If you aren't, simply clarify, rather than making accusations of "harassment", while I've been openly ridiculed and harassed on this website and other websites, and furthermore have spoken out against people like VisuddhiRaptor going around and harassing visitors and various people and using very harsh techniques with them like laughing emoticons and making people feel rather terrible.

If you have been openly ridiculed and harassed on other websites, then there is a pattern and the problem lies with you.

So francis (are you a 60 year old man?), just talk to me, don't use tricks. If I use tricks, its on accident, I am trying to be clear cut with you, honest, totally real with you.

Here are some points recently being made on this website:

- According to some people who associate with Buddhism for some reason, there is no such thing as continued experience after bodily death.

- According to some people on this website, Buddhism was inclusive of many different ideas and philosophies and descriptions, some which sound suspiciously theistic. This is historical, but it may not be what Siddhartha Gautama intended, based on writings attributed to his followers meant to describe his acts or teachings written some 5 centuries after his Earthly demise.

- According to some people on this website, Karma or Kamma does not refer to a "good deeds and bad deeds rule system which gets good results or bad results in life and after life potentially" but either doesn't exist or means something entirely different from that which deprives it of that notion which was common in widespread cultural Buddhist influenced areas historically.

When you say things like ‘according' to some people on this website, it’s an appeal to authority to back up (or deny) your spurious claims. 

Now furthermore, I am being bothered by a bunch of people, including yourself, regarding things I've said on this website. Some of the things people are bothering me about, might include my following ideas:

- One may be put in danger by putting faith into teachers or gurus or overly admiring or becoming worshipful of them, as there have been many abuses and there are problems with such a mentality.

- The Dharma is free for all to benefit from and understand, the materials are also widely available, and reality itself is the first and most important material which one can study to understand the Dharma or Truth. It does not require a guru.

- The Dharma existed before the historical Buddha, even according to the records of the historical Buddha, but obviously as well since the Truth is older than Siddhartha Gautama and existed before his supposed birth and enlightenment. The Buddha thus did not "invent Buddhism", it pre-existed him and was present even when he was growing up and available to all.

- Becoming a Monk is not a requirement for potential enlightenment or achievement.

- The goal is not "Death Forever" but Perpetual Serenity and Freedom from Anxiety, it is Experiential, not being "Dead Forever".

- There is no point or great deep benefit in the teaching that "Everyone simply dies forever", even if that is true, it is a dangerous idea that can lead to great unpleasantness and uninhibited evil conduct that makes life like a hell.

- There is a Supreme Power in some forms of Buddhist thought, generally which can be traced back to the area of North West India (Now Pakistan) such as in Gandhara and coming out of Gandhara, which spread to Tang China, and Heian Japan as some examples. The Supreme Power is ultimately Imageless and Pure but running through and ordering all experience and is the "Lord" of the system and is also what is experiencing our experiences as well or aware of all that it is generating and organizing. This Power can be prayed to and can perform miracles or assist people in experiencing amazing and miraculous things. I have personally experienced wonderful things as well, and there are many reports from others, if they are lying or not, it is not known to me, except that in knowing this power, practically any sort of experience is within the range of being possible with it as the means. Such a power is known at times as the Dharma-Kaya, the True Form, it is literally Like Nothing, but it is not true Nothing, which can not do anything.

Reincarnation and the Supreme Power you refer to, has more in common with Brahmanism, than Buddhism.

- Anyone can pray to and access and start studying reality and this power and begin introducing an increasingly mystical and magical outlook to their life, it is within the capacity of anyone to achieve and start doing good and accelerating towards benefit in this life in experiential ways, and after this life, in experiential ways (potentially

The Form of Buddhism I espouse does not come bearing "qualifications, degrees, initiations, belts, badges" so as to intimidate and frighten people with an apparently "hard road ahead of years of training or practice", but rather in a very open and friendly way tells people that anyone can start utilizing Buddhist thought and practice to their benefit immediately as best as they are able, not requiring anything except decency, sensitivity, alertness, and other good qualities, taking whatever material is available and turning it to good uses if possible and for benefit of oneself, ones loved ones, and the world at large where and when possible. There are many things which can act as obstructions to people or cause them to delay or struggle which are not necessary or important, plus the Dharma can not be "protected" nor does anyone "protect" it, it needs no defense, it will always emerge and re-emerge faithfully and one has nothing to fear regarding its loss.

Have you learnt to meditate and do you practice?

- My Buddhism is a happy and relaxed Buddhism, it does not overly stress about too many things, and it makes it easy for all people to start to live happy lives and start doing good and better. It also does not lack anything, so one has everything, and can fully utilize any sort of framework to continue to operate in a "Buddhist fashion or manner". This is an unobstructed, un-delayed Buddhism, that urges people to immediately start working towards goodness and eschewing badness as much as possible, not overly fretting about where one is not able as one works to considerably and constantly monitor and improve. It is not "anything goes", and it is not "everything goes".

To be candid, you don’t appear to be as happy as you claim. 

- It is important to listen to everything and everyone for potential benefit and use, and not to think that the vagabond on the street might not have anything which we can learn from or think about or benefit from potentially, or the cereal box has no wisdom, that is a wasteful mentality and also not compassionate or caring, it takes for granted everything. I do try to learn from the Atheistic people on this website, but that doesn't mean letting their ideas cause disruption, only to take what one can best use, or flip and turn to good, or any other method to make good use of whatever at all is experienced when possible. This is why it does not always teach a good lesson to "only listen to teachers" and not to just be generally attentive to everyone, who benefits you more, then they can be someone you try to get nice things from.

I have listened, and what you call dharma it is not the Buddha’s dharma.
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2017, 11:40:47 am »
Hi francis! You keep sneaking around taking swipes at me and implying or saying outright that what I talk about is "not Buddhism" and that I am thus "not Buddhist" and insult what I know or say and try to report me or make remarks that try to make it seem like I am bad or doing bad, and many nasty things you are doing.

So, as an apology, can you stop acting so scary and nasty and instead simply answer a simple question relevant to this thread?

Do you believe or do you not believe in the existence of experience after your bodily death. Do you believe all people, criminals and saints, receive the same end result, death forever?

Simply answer these questions for starters please. Everyone else can answer too. I will answer first:

I believe that there is experience after death and that no one can experience non-experience or permanent death.

I believe that criminals and saintly people do not receive the same results, but that evildoers who go around doing evil receive bad results and experiences and can not escape these via death, and saintly people receive good and can be accelerated towards never again returning to suffering.

See how easy it is to honestly state what we believe and promote?

So what is your story? Please answer these questions everyone!

Also, the original post that was in this section which tries to show you through numerous articles and quotes that things called Buddhism were long inclusive of some ideas you might not like, can be found here:

http://www.freesangha.com/forums/the-danger-zone/inviting-all-to-hear-the-great-dharma-all-questioners-all-corrections-too!/msg89240/#msg89240
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