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Sharing insight
« on: May 29, 2017, 05:07:29 pm »
I dont know if sharing insights is frowned upon or not...

Been studying the first noble truth, no self teaching, etc

And i can see for myself that:

Body both is mine and is not mine but body is not me.
i (my body) am the universe that has come together in this form and return to it on death,
(Teaching of the emptiness of self, ie the self is impermanent and does not arise independently)

I (awareness) look out on the universe through these eyes, listen with these ears, taste with this tongue etc
(5 skhandas/agreggates)

Im realising that reaching out for instruction is deffinetly a requisite of understanding buddhism and it cant just be learnt from books alone.

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Re: Sharing insight
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2017, 07:50:25 pm »
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Arkena:  Im realising that reaching out for instruction is deffinetly a requisite of understanding buddhism and it cant just be learnt from books alone."

Also, and perhaps most importantly, understanding is not complete until one tries what has been learned for oneself.  That is the practice.  :nopity:
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A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2017, 12:17:52 pm »
Im not sure i know what that means but am sure eventually i will get it!

Thanks Ron :)

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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2017, 10:19:08 pm »
Im not sure i know what that means but am sure eventually i will get it!

Thanks Ron :)

Hi, Arkena.  Certainly you will eventually get it.  The practice is simply doing and or applying in life what you have studied and learned. :anjali:
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2017, 05:44:33 pm »
When we are suffered from illness, thinking about that our body cannot always stay in the same condition all the time helps us reduce suffering. We can also look on the bright side that the illness is not permanent too, so illness will one day leave us away. In this way, we can stay calm and peaceful when facing the illness


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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2017, 01:41:54 am »
Im realising that reaching out for instruction is deffinetly a requisite of understanding buddhism and it cant just be learnt from books alone.

Yes, an intellectual understanding of teachings is just the preliminary stage.  Then we need to practice to develop direct insight into these truths, seeing them in our own immediate experience.  This "seeing how things really are" can be an be an uncomfortable experience at times, so we need to be kind to ourselves and others, not judging.
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Re: Sharing insight
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2017, 05:11:03 pm »
My own realization on the four noble truths  comes to me from the walls of Luxor in Egypt.  It was the first thing I thought when I read the four truths for the first time.  "For ever joy, there is a price to pay."  This is one of over 40 aphorisms on the walls at the temple of man.  In Sanskirt, Manu means, "to think," which is the purpose of suffering necessity.  You can read the aphorism as a capping verse, or in relative.  For ever price you pay, a joy.  In light of practice, suffering is part of sitting in some ways.  look at the direction of Joy.

Joy-----> Suffering --------->Joy

Anyone who sits long enough knows that the exercise pays off.  Joy comes.  Look at this from the perspective of healthy and unhealthy practices.  Smoking takes health away.  This is paying the price for a joy that was taken.  Go to the gym and health come to the person as cause and effect of suffering the work.  This is the little secret of the Four Nobel Truths. 

Look at the four truths in this light:

THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS
1.   Suffering exists in everyone’s life.
[Suffering is prerequisite to removal of suffering]

2. The causes of suffering are greed, anger, and ignorance.
[For every joy you take, there is a price to pay]

3. Nirvana, the extinction of suffering, is possible for everyone.
[For every price you pay, there is a joy – Suffer on Purpose]

4. Nirvana is achieved by following the Noble Eightfold Path.
[Compassion and the Suffering Servant]

Joy comes by pushing practice to performance.  Suffering is prerequisite.  This follows another aphorism from Zen.  Sickness and Medicine cancel each other.  The second aphorism is this:  The same hand that makes sick also gives medicine.  That hand, of course, is your own.  If you follow this by examining one little cross-section of suffering, you can see it clearly.

Fatigue (sick) ---------> Rest (medicine) ---------- > Higher Joy (Bliss)

Time and Space are one.  The day after yesterday is now.  You always have time to forget the past by building the future.  The best way to predict the future is to create it.  When do you begin?  All of time and space for you to grow, develop, cultivate and remake yourself again and again.  Seek, Find and Adaptation.

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2017, 10:44:58 pm »
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Im realising that reaching out for instruction is deffinetly a requisite of understanding buddhism and it cant just be learnt from books alone.
Understanding buddhism is understanding life and life cant just be learnt from books alone.

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2017, 09:35:55 am »
"Smoking takes health away.  This is paying the price for a joy that was taken."

Do you discern a difference between "Joy" and "Pleasure"?  It think it's an important distinction.

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2017, 09:38:38 am »

And i can see for myself that...


Yep.  I've found that's the key.  Then, of course, finding out how well it fits into my way of being will show even more after that initial understanding.  The magic of practice.

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2017, 08:49:08 pm »

Look at the four truths in this light:

THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS
1.   Suffering exists in everyone’s life.
[Suffering is prerequisite to removal of suffering]

2. The causes of suffering are greed, anger, and ignorance.
[For every joy you take, there is a price to pay]

3. Nirvana, the extinction of suffering, is possible for everyone.
[For every price you pay, there is a joy – Suffer on Purpose]

4. Nirvana is achieved by following the Noble Eightfold Path.
[Compassion and the Suffering Servant]


Suffering is rather caused by clinging. The things you listed - greed, anger, ignorance etc. - are manifested due to craving. How do you eliminate greed, anger, ignorance? By letting go of cravings. So the focus should be on the root cause - craving - and not on symptoms or manifestation of craving.

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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2017, 04:55:18 am »

Look at the four truths in this light:

THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS
1.   Suffering exists in everyone’s life.
[Suffering is prerequisite to removal of suffering]

2. The causes of suffering are greed, anger, and ignorance.
[For every joy you take, there is a price to pay]

3. Nirvana, the extinction of suffering, is possible for everyone.
[For every price you pay, there is a joy – Suffer on Purpose]

4. Nirvana is achieved by following the Noble Eightfold Path.
[Compassion and the Suffering Servant]


Suffering is rather caused by clinging. The things you listed - greed, anger, ignorance etc. - are manifested due to craving. How do you eliminate greed, anger, ignorance? By letting go of cravings. So the focus should be on the root cause - craving - and not on symptoms or manifestation of craving.

Untrue.  Mastery is the path to ending suffering.  What you fail to master will master you.  Many think reaching 'Nirvana' is the path to enlightened view, but this is only half.  Those who never try to reach the enlightened view are here in the Triloka clinging.  They also miss the other half.  It's only when you know each side that you suddenly realize that both are Nirvana.  There is no difference.  The Triloka must be mastered, flipping suffering to joy from compassion and service to others.  There is no end to rebirth until both sides are mastered. 

Time and Space are one.  The day after yesterday is now.  You always have time to forget the past by building the future.  The best way to predict the future is to create it.  When do you begin?  All of time and space for you to grow, develop, cultivate and remake yourself again and again.  Seek, Find and Adaptation.

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2017, 09:47:26 pm »

Look at the four truths in this light:

THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS
1.   Suffering exists in everyone’s life.
[Suffering is prerequisite to removal of suffering]

2. The causes of suffering are greed, anger, and ignorance.
[For every joy you take, there is a price to pay]

3. Nirvana, the extinction of suffering, is possible for everyone.
[For every price you pay, there is a joy – Suffer on Purpose]

4. Nirvana is achieved by following the Noble Eightfold Path.
[Compassion and the Suffering Servant]


Suffering is rather caused by clinging. The things you listed - greed, anger, ignorance etc. - are manifested due to craving. How do you eliminate greed, anger, ignorance? By letting go of cravings. So the focus should be on the root cause - craving - and not on symptoms or manifestation of craving.

Untrue.  Mastery is the path to ending suffering.  What you fail to master will master you.  Many think reaching 'Nirvana' is the path to enlightened view, but this is only half.  Those who never try to reach the enlightened view are here in the Triloka clinging.  They also miss the other half.  It's only when you know each side that you suddenly realize that both are Nirvana.  There is no difference.  The Triloka must be mastered, flipping suffering to joy from compassion and service to others.  There is no end to rebirth until both sides are mastered.

What is mastery? How does it lead to end of suffering?

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2017, 07:56:17 pm »

Look at the four truths in this light:

THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS
1.   Suffering exists in everyone’s life.
[Suffering is prerequisite to removal of suffering]

2. The causes of suffering are greed, anger, and ignorance.
[For every joy you take, there is a price to pay]

3. Nirvana, the extinction of suffering, is possible for everyone.
[For every price you pay, there is a joy – Suffer on Purpose]

4. Nirvana is achieved by following the Noble Eightfold Path.
[Compassion and the Suffering Servant]


Suffering is rather caused by clinging. The things you listed - greed, anger, ignorance etc. - are manifested due to craving. How do you eliminate greed, anger, ignorance? By letting go of cravings. So the focus should be on the root cause - craving - and not on symptoms or manifestation of craving.

Untrue.  Mastery is the path to ending suffering.  What you fail to master will master you.  Many think reaching 'Nirvana' is the path to enlightened view, but this is only half.  Those who never try to reach the enlightened view are here in the Triloka clinging.  They also miss the other half.  It's only when you know each side that you suddenly realize that both are Nirvana.  There is no difference.  The Triloka must be mastered, flipping suffering to joy from compassion and service to others.  There is no end to rebirth until both sides are mastered.

What is mastery? How does it lead to end of suffering?

They mystery is our identity.  The end of suffering is the ability to see the answer, which requires our love and compassion for others.  The secret to this is in 1 John 1 in the Bible.  What is God?
Time and Space are one.  The day after yesterday is now.  You always have time to forget the past by building the future.  The best way to predict the future is to create it.  When do you begin?  All of time and space for you to grow, develop, cultivate and remake yourself again and again.  Seek, Find and Adaptation.

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2017, 08:30:47 pm »

Look at the four truths in this light:

THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS
1.   Suffering exists in everyone’s life.
[Suffering is prerequisite to removal of suffering]

2. The causes of suffering are greed, anger, and ignorance.
[For every joy you take, there is a price to pay]

3. Nirvana, the extinction of suffering, is possible for everyone.
[For every price you pay, there is a joy – Suffer on Purpose]

4. Nirvana is achieved by following the Noble Eightfold Path.
[Compassion and the Suffering Servant]


Suffering is rather caused by clinging. The things you listed - greed, anger, ignorance etc. - are manifested due to craving. How do you eliminate greed, anger, ignorance? By letting go of cravings. So the focus should be on the root cause - craving - and not on symptoms or manifestation of craving.

Untrue.  Mastery is the path to ending suffering.  What you fail to master will master you.  Many think reaching 'Nirvana' is the path to enlightened view, but this is only half.  Those who never try to reach the enlightened view are here in the Triloka clinging.  They also miss the other half.  It's only when you know each side that you suddenly realize that both are Nirvana.  There is no difference.  The Triloka must be mastered, flipping suffering to joy from compassion and service to others.  There is no end to rebirth until both sides are mastered.

What is mastery? How does it lead to end of suffering?

They mystery is our identity.  The end of suffering is the ability to see the answer, which requires our love and compassion for others.  The secret to this is in 1 John 1 in the Bible.  What is God?

Om.

No-self collective Samadhi.

 


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