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Re: The Buddhist Vote (reposted)
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2020, 12:39:48 pm »
I honestly don't care how people vote, especially since politics is cyclical in nature. I am just really bothered when converts to Buddhism present their political views as the default Buddhist political views.

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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2020, 09:19:14 pm »
The pro-life argument is simple. If we can't trust a politician to defend the right to life, the most fundamental human right, then we can't trust that politician on any other issue. One might disagree with that argument, but it's worth noting that Buddhism has traditionally opposed abortion as the taking of an innocent life. Even if you support abortion, why should my tax dollars pay for it? All the major 2020 Democratic candidates support repealing the Hyde amendment.

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Re: The Buddhist Vote (reposted)
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2020, 04:04:15 pm »
The pro-life argument is simple.

IN this contexts the label "pro-life" is a misnomer.  This is because it's really not about life, but abortion.  Abortion is the issue, not life.  If it were life the protest would be wider - to include capital punishment and war-making. As it is, it's only about abortion, so how about we call it "anti-abortion" instead?
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If we can't trust a politician to defend the right to life, the most fundamental human right, then we can't trust that politician on any other issue.

Here again, we aren't talking about a fundamental right.  We deny that right to certain criminals and those we are at war with. 

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One might disagree with that argument, but it's worth noting that Buddhism has traditionally opposed abortion as the taking of an innocent life.

Earlier, you were decrying lumping all Buddhism into a certain mindset, but here you seem to be doing just that.  What Buddhism "traditionally" teaches is one thing, but how it's applied, here in the west can be kinda different.  I know a lot of Buddhists - a majority, in fact - who support choice.

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Even if you support abortion, why should my tax dollars pay for it?

Good question.  I oppose capital punishment and war, in general.  Why should"my" tax dollars go to that.  I believe that no government funds should be spent on war or capital punishment.  If a government want's to execute someone, they should do a kickstarter to cover the cost.  If they can't raise enough money, there's no execution.  Similarly if the government want's war, they should kickstart that.  Not enough money, no war.

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All the major 2020 Democratic candidates support repealing the Hyde amendment.

And they should.  I support that.  If a taxpayer pays for executions and war they can pay for abortions, too.

How about that?

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Re: The Buddhist Vote (reposted)
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2020, 06:49:23 pm »
When it comes down to the state killing terrorists and murderers or funding the killing of unborn children, it's a difference of innocence and guilt. The unborn child is innocent.

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Re: The Buddhist Vote (reposted)
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2020, 04:21:16 pm »
When it comes down to the state killing terrorists and murderers or funding the killing of unborn children, it's a difference of innocence and guilt. The unborn child is innocent.

Just noting that, in the long view of karma, no one except a Buddha is innocent.  We all carry a heavy load of negative actions from previous lives, including murder and any heinous action you can think of. 

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Re: The Buddhist Vote (reposted)
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2020, 03:04:31 pm »
When it comes down to the state killing terrorists and murderers or funding the killing of unborn children, it's a difference of innocence and guilt. The unborn child is innocent.

Just noting that, in the long view of karma, no one except a Buddha is innocent.  We all carry a heavy load of negative actions from previous lives, including murder and any heinous action you can think of.

Quite so.

It occurs to me that the Teachings cite sentience and not innocence as when admonishing us to not take life.

The Buddha taught us to not take the lives of sentient beings.  That includes so-called terrorists and murderers and if we to stretch that, the unborn as well.  The buddha makes no distinction. So, neither do I.  If the government funds the killing of one, why not all?  I support that, although I'd prefer they not fund any.

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Re: The Buddhist Vote (reposted)
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2020, 03:01:09 pm »
On the subject of people others feel deserve death...I know lots of them, I deal with them everyday. A few who have been judged guilty of things a heinous as serial murder, a few who have done things one might argue are worse. I maintain with fifteen years of dealings with those men that while some of them are not ever fit to return to being another persons neighbor, killing them is not a solution to their existing. It's a complex problem but killing is not the answer as an institution.

 


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