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The truth...
« on: October 02, 2011, 07:42:28 pm »
What is it?

Is it a personal thing? Or a global thing?

I have no idea.... :spiderman:

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Re: The truth...
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2011, 08:04:13 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2011, 08:48:32 pm »
Just sharing . In current world , based on knowledge human had a guideline of "right and wrong" , "true and false" .

The real "truth" to me is Buddhism.........In my current opinion , in Buddhism there are no true or false , no right or wrong ......is all about how we understand "ourself"...thats " The truth"......

Understanding own emotions , greed , desire , compassion , love as all in my awareness that I call it "my life" .....be free of it...to be empty... thats 'the truth' to me.

Buddhism is not about "knowing others'.....practising , charity , chanting etc but understanding own awareness and be free of it .

Buddhism is fundamental / platform of all life and nature as all living or non-living transform , evolve , changing shape , freeing themselves from pollutant that human call "life"....to be pure , to be empty .......thats the "truth ' and only Truth and nothing but the Truth to me.

That my current opinion , I am here to learn if there is other awareness that could change me , move me from this "beliefs" .

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Re: The truth...
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 05:15:17 am »
This


so sending me to that thread was pointless....

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 05:36:47 am »
3 pages of 'pointless' discussion....interesting...will take note...

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 08:59:07 am »
Adamm, do you want a definitive answer to your unanswerable question? 

t was only showing you there is an ongoing thread speculating on the same grand theme...

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Mods, suggest you merge these threads.  No rush...

The Truth is out there...

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Re: The truth...
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2011, 02:08:16 am »
What is it?

Is it a personal thing? Or a global thing?

I have no idea.... :spiderman:

As long as one takes it personal it is a global thing and as long one takes as global it runs out personal. Maybe it is something in between. *smile*

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2011, 05:40:15 pm »
What is it?

Is it a personal thing? Or a global thing?

I have no idea.... :spiderman:

As long as one takes it personal it is a global thing and as long one takes as global it runs out personal. Maybe it is something in between. *smile*

Thank you  :socool:

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Re: The truth...
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2011, 07:06:27 pm »
Thank you for the good question! *smile*

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2011, 08:11:23 pm »
What is it?

Is it a personal thing? Or a global thing?

I have no idea.... :spiderman:

"Truth" as such, i.e. without particular specification, is an abstract conventional idea, a thought. "Convention" implies "being shared by collective of beings". Therefore "global idea" may apply.


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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2011, 08:28:38 pm »
But if we this in this kind we would see that the "global idea" is just your idea of being a "global idea" so it would come back to the "I"

*smile* nihilism - eternalism, nothing - all, subject - object, me - not me, personally - unpersonal, birth - death

"-" is the truth, in words we might find the best explaining in the 4NT

Actually the only what is never here but always there.

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2011, 08:33:23 pm »
But if we this in this kind we would see that the "global idea" is just your idea of being a "global idea" so it would come back to the "I"

You should observe what you are doing. Be mindful and discern.

We are talking about "truth" and exactly this is evidence for "truth" being a "global idea" (convention). So if you say "just your idea" it is wrong. If it were just my idea we could not communicate about it.


... the 4NT
Another idea. But "global" may not apply since it is limited to buddhist convention.


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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 08:51:00 pm »
But if we this in this kind we would see that the "global idea" is just your idea of being a "global idea" so it would come back to the "I"


You should observe what you are doing. Be mindful and discern.

We are talking about "truth" and exactly this is evidence for "truth" being a "global idea" (convention). So if you say "just your idea" it is wrong. If it were just my idea we could not communicate about it.

Actually we might just have found out that not knowing the truth is the problem that arises when we communicate. *smile*

... the 4NT

Another idea. But "global" may not apply since it is limited to buddhist convention.
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I guess than we have to work on with our faith (out of understanding) so that the truth is no more subject to opinions and doubt. *smile* Saddha (faith) is a very require to attain the insight of truth.

Understanding deeply that is the "-" might bring one to start to seek for it with saddha that it is between *smile*

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2011, 08:59:26 pm »
But if we this in this kind we would see that the "global idea" is just your idea of being a "global idea" so it would come back to the "I"


You should observe what you are doing. Be mindful and discern.

We are talking about "truth" and exactly this is evidence for "truth" being a "global idea" (convention). So if you say "just your idea" it is wrong. If it were just my idea we could not communicate about it.

Actually we might just have found out that not knowing the truth is the problem that arises when we communicate. *smile*

So far the talk has been about the term "truth" in general, i.e. a universal. Now you are referring to "the truth" which appears as if you are referring to a particular "truth". But there is only a particular truth we can talk about if we both agree on something being a "truth". so what are you referring to when you say "the truth"?


... the 4NT

Another idea. But "global" may not apply since it is limited to buddhist convention.
Kind regards

I guess than we have to work on with our faith (out of understanding) so that the truth is no more subject to opinions and doubt. *smile* Saddha (faith) is a very require to attain the insight of truth.

Why "we"? I don't. But you may.
Are you now appealing to what is called "blind faith"?

Understanding deeply that is the "-" might bring one to start to seek for it with saddha that it is between *smile*
As to understanding: I don't understand your words :teehee:


kind regards

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2011, 10:07:31 pm »
But if we this in this kind we would see that the "global idea" is just your idea of being a "global idea" so it would come back to the "I"


You should observe what you are doing. Be mindful and discern.

We are talking about "truth" and exactly this is evidence for "truth" being a "global idea" (convention). So if you say "just your idea" it is wrong. If it were just my idea we could not communicate about it.

Actually we might just have found out that not knowing the truth is the problem that arises when we communicate. *smile*

So far the talk has been about the term "truth" in general, i.e. a universal. Now you are referring to "the truth" which appears as if you are referring to a particular "truth". But there is only a particular truth we can talk about if we both agree on something being a "truth". so what are you referring to when you say "the truth"?

I don't think so, as the title of the tread is "the truth", but yes in general. The other sentences actually repeat the truth of the truth *smile* the unseen in between.

... the 4NT

Another idea. But "global" may not apply since it is limited to buddhist convention.
Kind regards

I guess than we have to work on with our faith (out of understanding) so that the truth is no more subject to opinions and doubt. *smile* Saddha (faith) is a very require to attain the insight of truth.

Why "we"? I don't. But you may.
Are you now appealing to what is called "blind faith"?

No to saddha. I had the thought that your try to break truth/the truth again to just a term one might think that the way to truth is doubt. Actually not. Saddha need understanding, without understanding it is not saddha and actually this discussion gives a great opportunity to gain saddha and not to stuggle further on doubt.
So if we clearly understand that enternalism is not true and nihilism is not true, one might say he has doubt, but focusing on what really is it grows to faith. Knowing that neither eternalism nor nihilism is the truth we gain faith in what neither feeds eternalism nor nihilism. So doubt is just a grasping on ideas and it might arise from hope (to find an idea of something in something) or fear (to find nothing that fits to an idea). The kind of doubt that arises of hope is often along those who had a nice experiences or idea and therefor an attachment to what should be true and out of this they don't see the door.
The kind of doubt that arises form fear is often along those who do not have a "positive" attachment but the opposit, so they also do not just simply go on.

So sometimes people are attached to the history and an idea out of it and do not see the door (but their picture of escape looks different), because it doesn't seems to be a door for them and sometimes people are attached to the future and have no ideas how a door could look alike.

So faith means that we walk on on that what we already understand as clear fact. If we know that the wall (eternalism and nihilism) is not the door (entrance to the truth) we don't need to worry about the door all the time but can go on and notice "wall". So we will not fall into depression or blind faith but simply go on with what we already had understood.

So faith (saddha) means also to understand what is not true and will no time lead to doubt but to remember to notice "wall", "wall" and one would maximum turn 7 time more around noticing "wall" to find the final exit without any stress. How to notice "wall" in the right way is the noble eightfold path. *smile*

Understanding deeply that is the "-" might bring one to start to seek for it with saddha that it is between *smile*
As to understanding: I don't understand your words :teehee:

kind regards
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Maybe I could already explain *smile*
Its about the middle way.
As long as we think on black and white its is also the tool come to the end.

The opposite of doubt is believe but saddha is neither doubt nor believe.

Thanks for your patient *smile*
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