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Re: The Ultimate Truth of Amida Buddha
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2018, 03:28:55 am »
While Zen is more well-known in the West, Jodo Shinshu is the largest sect of Buddhism in Japan. This sect was founded by Shinran Shonin, the most well-loved religious figure in Japanese history, who left the monastic life to marry and have children.

Unlike other Buddhist sects, Jodo Shinshu doesn’t require abstinence from meat and alcohol. Ascetic practices are unnecessary (optional) if we are already Amida Buddha in our true nature. Reciting the Nembutsu is a way of acknowledging and awakening to our innately enlightened true self.

It's not discouraged in Jodo Shinshu to be vegetarian or abstain from alcohol. It's just that Jodo Shinshu was one of the first Buddhist sects to accept people who had to kill meat to earn a living, like hunters and fishermen.

Another thing is that many people aren't able to follow the traditional prohibition of intoxicants because they're chronically addicted, no matter how many times they try to stop. Jodo Shinshu gave these people a path to enlightenment as well.

Can you tell us, specifically and by name, which sects prohibit meat and alchohol.  It might be helpfull for newcomers to know what these sects are so if they have issues with such probibitions they can avoid contact or commitment with such groups.

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Re: The Ultimate Truth of Amida Buddha
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2018, 09:22:34 pm »
While Zen is more well-known in the West, Jodo Shinshu is the largest sect of Buddhism in Japan. This sect was founded by Shinran Shonin, the most well-loved religious figure in Japanese history, who left the monastic life to marry and have children.

Unlike other Buddhist sects, Jodo Shinshu doesn’t require abstinence from meat and alcohol. Ascetic practices are unnecessary (optional) if we are already Amida Buddha in our true nature. Reciting the Nembutsu is a way of acknowledging and awakening to our innately enlightened true self.

It's not discouraged in Jodo Shinshu to be vegetarian or abstain from alcohol. It's just that Jodo Shinshu was one of the first Buddhist sects to accept people who had to kill meat to earn a living, like hunters and fishermen.

Another thing is that many people aren't able to follow the traditional prohibition of intoxicants because they're chronically addicted, no matter how many times they try to stop. Jodo Shinshu gave these people a path to enlightenment as well.

Can you tell us, specifically and by name, which sects prohibit meat and alchohol.  It might be helpfull for newcomers to know what these sects are so if they have issues with such probibitions they can avoid contact or commitment with such groups.

Perhaps Taiwanese, Chinese and Vietnamese Pure Land Buddhism? Then again, it's only optional that lay people observe the five precepts in these traditions, though strongly encouraged.

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Re: The Ultimate Truth of Amida Buddha
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2018, 06:17:57 am »
While Zen is more well-known in the West, Jodo Shinshu is the largest sect of Buddhism in Japan. This sect was founded by Shinran Shonin, the most well-loved religious figure in Japanese history, who left the monastic life to marry and have children.

Unlike other Buddhist sects, Jodo Shinshu doesn’t require abstinence from meat and alcohol. Ascetic practices are unnecessary (optional) if we are already Amida Buddha in our true nature. Reciting the Nembutsu is a way of acknowledging and awakening to our innately enlightened true self.

It's not discouraged in Jodo Shinshu to be vegetarian or abstain from alcohol. It's just that Jodo Shinshu was one of the first Buddhist sects to accept people who had to kill meat to earn a living, like hunters and fishermen.

Another thing is that many people aren't able to follow the traditional prohibition of intoxicants because they're chronically addicted, no matter how many times they try to stop. Jodo Shinshu gave these people a path to enlightenment as well.

Can you tell us, specifically and by name, which sects prohibit meat and alchohol.  It might be helpfull for newcomers to know what these sects are so if they have issues with such probibitions they can avoid contact or commitment with such groups.

Perhaps Taiwanese, Chinese and Vietnamese Pure Land Buddhism? Then again, it's only optional that lay people observe the five precepts in these traditions, though strongly encouraged.

Perhaps?  Really?  You made a raqther positive statement that there were Buddhist sects that actively prohibit meat and alcohol.  To say "perhaps" is a direct contradiction to that.  Then you say it's optional.  Seems like you're coming up short on facts and such.

Y'know, if you're going to activly promote Jodo Shinshu by pointing to specific shortcomings in certain, unnamed sects, you should be prepared to name them specifically, when asked for clarification.

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Re: The Ultimate Truth of Amida Buddha
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2018, 07:56:15 pm »
While Zen is more well-known in the West, Jodo Shinshu is the largest sect of Buddhism in Japan. This sect was founded by Shinran Shonin, the most well-loved religious figure in Japanese history, who left the monastic life to marry and have children.

Unlike other Buddhist sects, Jodo Shinshu doesn’t require abstinence from meat and alcohol. Ascetic practices are unnecessary (optional) if we are already Amida Buddha in our true nature. Reciting the Nembutsu is a way of acknowledging and awakening to our innately enlightened true self.

It's not discouraged in Jodo Shinshu to be vegetarian or abstain from alcohol. It's just that Jodo Shinshu was one of the first Buddhist sects to accept people who had to kill meat to earn a living, like hunters and fishermen.

Another thing is that many people aren't able to follow the traditional prohibition of intoxicants because they're chronically addicted, no matter how many times they try to stop. Jodo Shinshu gave these people a path to enlightenment as well.

Can you tell us, specifically and by name, which sects prohibit meat and alchohol.  It might be helpfull for newcomers to know what these sects are so if they have issues with such probibitions they can avoid contact or commitment with such groups.

Perhaps Taiwanese, Chinese and Vietnamese Pure Land Buddhism? Then again, it's only optional that lay people observe the five precepts in these traditions, though strongly encouraged.

Perhaps?  Really?  You made a raqther positive statement that there were Buddhist sects that actively prohibit meat and alcohol.  To say "perhaps" is a direct contradiction to that.  Then you say it's optional.  Seems like you're coming up short on facts and such.

Y'know, if you're going to activly promote Jodo Shinshu by pointing to specific shortcomings in certain, unnamed sects, you should be prepared to name them specifically, when asked for clarification.

Since I am vegetarian, I don't consider teaching vegetarianism a shortcoming. Please read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_vegetarianism#Chinese,_Korean,_Vietnamese,_and_Taiwanese_traditions

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Re: The Ultimate Truth of Amida Buddha
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2018, 06:54:23 am »
As a Buddhist, I neither affirm nor negate the existence of Amida as a literal being, sitting on a lotus flower billions of Buddha-lands away. This is from the Vimalakirti Sutra:

"He makes offerings to the immeasurable koṭis
Of Tathāgatas throughout the ten directions,
Without having any thought of discriminating
Between the buddhas and himself."

From an ultimate perspective, the relationship between Amida and ourselves is non-duality. As it says in Shinran’s Kyogyoshinsho, “There is no Buddha apart from the mind.”

Please keep in mind that all this talk of Amida being our true nature is empty if one doesn’t recite the Nembutsu:

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It is precisely because of the Self-Nature Amitabha that the practitioner must recite the name of Buddha Amitabha of the West seeking rebirth in the Pure Land – so as to achieve the Self-Nature Amitabha through gradual cultivation. If he merely grasps at the Self-Nature Amitabha but does not recite the name of Buddha Amitabha of the West, he cannot achieve immediate escape from birth and death – not even if he is truly awakened, much less if (like most people who ask this question) he is pretentious and just indulges in empty talk without engaging in practice.
https://purelanders.com/2011/12/11/mind-only-pure-land-self-nature-amitabha-western-pure-land-amitabha-buddha/
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