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This very moment...
« on: January 05, 2010, 04:20:48 pm »
 :repost: Do you ever get the sense of how many ways there are in how you could perceive this very moment?

So it's here... I'd gotten some great answers at BC where I'd originally posted a while back, but then the topic (along with the rest of the site) got trolled...  :feed: 

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I have times where I'll suddenly see how many ways I could choose to perceive any given moment. Like when someone says something to you and suddenly there is the realization of how many vast numbers of ways there are to perceive that very moment. In that pause, you have the choice of not only how to respond, but how to perceive reality itself. It's not really fixed and solid at all!


I've been practicing stepping out of the "loop-thinking," the kind of thinking we have out of habit in terms of perceiving reality. Our mental associations and constructs really dictate our pattern of thinking, and after changing it up a bit, I've found that the moment is rarely what I think it is. It partially is what I thought and yet it's not what I thought at all... It's always much more naked, more open and spacious... The only restrictive force is my own perception. It's something I'd mostly forgotten existed as an adult... Children all have a pretty natural relationship with this tender space, but as adults we calcify thought and our "way of being" becomes a form of identity we cling to pretty tenaciously. And we support and justify our perceptions of reality quite forcefully.

Just thought I'd share. Do you ever experience that basic openness, what we often call emptiness as Buddhists?


Thought I'd repost since it was an interesting discussion...
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Re: This very moment...
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 09:44:29 pm »
I cannot find such a moment.

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Re: This very moment...
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 10:19:55 pm »
Truth is we can only act beneficially in this moment.  We can do nothing in the revisionist past.  The future is but a delusion.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 10:51:43 pm »
The future is but a delusion.
As are the present [moment] and the past.

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Re: This very moment...
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 01:06:52 am »
The future is but a delusion.
As are the present [moment] and the past.

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What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: This very moment...
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2010, 04:04:25 am »
This is a reflection on time that's attributed to the 6th Patriarch of Chan Buddhism, Hui Neng (but can't actually find it in the 6th Patriarch's Platform Sutra).  But whether it came from the 6th Patriarch or not, the composition is superb, it's full of principle in accord with the Dharma and it's meaning is very deep:

In this moment, there is no thing which comes to be,
In this moment, there is no thing which ceases to be,
Thus in this moment, there is no birth and death to be brought to an end.
Therefore this moment is the absolute peace.
And though it is just this moment, there is no limit to this moment
And herein is eternal delight.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2010, 04:45:11 am by Optimus Prime »

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Re: This very moment...
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2010, 08:08:31 am »
Love it!  :)

Thanks for bringing this dhamma - prose to my attention. :namaste:
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-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: This very moment...
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2010, 02:04:14 pm »
In this moment, there is no thing which comes to be,
In this moment, there is no thing which ceases to be,
Thus in this moment, there is no birth and death to be brought to an end.
Therefore this moment is the absolute peace.
And though it is just this moment, there is no limit to this moment
And herein is eternal delight.


This is exactly I think what i was clumsily trying to communicate... I experience this openness at times (especially if I've been meditating a fair amount) that is so absolutely open and I see that it is my will which decides and imposes a "truth" onto the moment.  Like this moment is happy, or sad.  It is only my own perception that sets up bars and barriers to what I experience.

Just a thought, albeit an awkwardly formulated one...
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Re: This very moment...
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2010, 05:30:41 pm »
Here's Ajahn Amaro's explanation of the above passage:

Birth and death depend on time. Something apparently born
in the past, living now, will die in the future. Once we let go of
time, and if we also let go of thing-ness, we see there can be no
real “thing” coming into being or dying; there is just the suchness
of the present. In this way, there is no birth or death to be
brought to an end.

That’s how this moment is absolutely peaceful; it is outside
of time, akaliko.

We use such phrases as “this moment,” but they are not quite
accurate because they still can give us an impression of the present
as a small fragment of time. For even though it is just a moment,
the present is limitless
. In letting go of the structures of the
past and future, we realize that this present is an infinite ocean,
and the result of this realization is living in the eternal, the timeless.
We needn’t solidify and conceive the present in contradistinction
to a past or future—it is its own self-sustaining vastness.

p27, 28 of Small Boat, Great Mountain by Amaro Bhikkhu

 


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